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Old 10-12-2019, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by horns
If sellers arent budging, then it means the ask price is the market price as the sellers value the cars enough not to negotiate.
If sellers aren't budging, and buyers aren't budging, it means that there IS no market price. You know, since the definition of market price is based on transactions of willing buyers and sellers. If there aren't any transactions taking place on an item, then there is, effectively, no "market" on it.
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Originally Posted by loungin
I like the computer screen though. The 2 gauges at the ends aren’t even in my field of view.
Yes, I like it too. But there aren't five "real gauges" (assuming people mean analog when they say that) any more.
Old 10-12-2019, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by robmypro
I hear you. Owning a car that is appreciating means you really can’t enjoy it.

Not for me. I'm going to enjoy my .2/3RS regardless. Sure, more money, more better...but the possibility of it wouldn't make me put a plastic bubble around it in the garage. I bought it to drive, not to fund my retirement.
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Old 10-12-2019, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by loungin
how much difference does being “first ever” make? How valuable are the first ever GT3 or GT4 vs subsequent, improved versions?
it's a fair question and i would imagine the answer varies considerably by car. but your counter examples aren't the best. first gt3 was 996 and nothing 996 is really looked upon fondly. GT4? not a real gt car and also just came out only three years ago so not enough time has passed. so with the gt3 touring, it's a wait and see just like it would be for anything. but if the rumors about the 992 touring being PDK only are true (and i have no idea if they are because i couldn't possibly care less about the 992 generation) then that will basically guarantee 991.2 gt3 touring will be more and more revered as time passes. the funny thing about this thread, other than the who cares part, is that most of the people posting here won't own their 991.2s long enough to still be owners when classic status could be assessed.
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Old 10-12-2019, 03:09 PM
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I'm 100% sure it will be a future classic, but I think a 991.2 GT3 with the manual transmission will be worth more after the same amount of time.
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Waxer
991.2 3RS stands on its own. Conflating total GT production in production number is misleading.

Roughly 1400 .2 3RS in NA. Pretty rare. They made made 1300 plus new FGTs and 4000 Gen II FGTs (with approx 2800 survivors WW) command more than msrp and both will continue to increase in the future.
To be classic don t you need to be old and modern at the same time?

What makes an RS old days ?
Only its engine,
not the transmission
nor the sophisticated aero,

that .2 amazing engine in all sauces I guess got more than 20k 991 2 GT produced worldwide
Old 10-12-2019, 06:11 PM
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you can’t just put models together you want to get a production number and then at the same time separate options like touring to also get a number. if we’re working off of options then let’s be consistent and separate Weissach from the rest in which case it’s just as rare as touring and even more rare then weissach 2RS.

in total here are the real numbers

total 991 GT3 worldwide is ~16,000
total 991 GT3RS worldwide is ~9,300
total 991 GT2RS is ~3,700

with that said WW numbers aren’t that relative to us here in NA.
so just sticking to N.A. as a whole it’s

991 GT3 is ~5,500
991 GT3RS is ~3,250
991 GT2RS is ~1,350

separating options like Weissach and touring
and only in USA, we have

GT2RS WP - 1,050
GT3RS 808WP - 775
GT3 Touring - 750

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Old 10-12-2019, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dot23RS
you can’t put just models together you want to get a production number and then at the same time separate options like touring to also get a number. if we’re working off of options then let’s be consistent and separate Weissach from the rest in which case it’s just as rare as touring and even more rare then weissach 2RS.

in total here are the real numbers

total 991 GT3 worldwide is ~16,000
total 991 GT3RS worldwide is ~9,300
total 991 GT2RS is ~3,700

with that said WW numbers aren’t that relative to us here in NA.
so just sticking to N.A. as a whole it’s

991 GT3 is ~5,500
991 GT3RS is ~3,250
991 GT2RS is ~1,350

separating options like Weissach and touring
and only in USA, we have

GT2RS WP - 1,050
GT3RS 808WP - 775
GT3 Touring - 750


Only 1400 .2 3RS in U.S.
Only 500 non WP

All in all they are rare.
Old 10-12-2019, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Waxer


Only 1400 .2 3RS in U.S.
Only 500 non WP

All in all they are rare.
I think the total global production for the .2 3RS is around ~ 3,200 - I think the .1RS is around 6,000.

Not sure why some are trying to conflate GT3 numbers with RS numbers, very different beasts.
Old 10-12-2019, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian Plyler
If sellers aren't budging, and buyers aren't budging, it means that there IS no market price. You know, since the definition of market price is based on transactions of willing buyers and sellers. If there aren't any transactions taking place on an item, then there is, effectively, no "market" on it.
We're not really talking about a competitive market. You pay what the seller wants or you don't get one. They aren't a Panamera, and the supply is almost non-existent. They are essentially double what they listed for less than a decade ago, so it's probably a reasonable bet that the market, if only one existed ..., has valued these as though they are already a classic.
Old 10-12-2019, 11:33 PM
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If 1400 .2 RS is rare. Then the 1341 manual winged .2 are rarer. Just sayin. Not to mention tourings even less
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Less than 900 manual ZR1s. Mine will be worthless in 6 months when i have a crap load of miles on it.
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbravo23
If 1400 .2 RS is rare. Then the 1341 manual winged .2 are rarer. Just sayin. Not to mention tourings even less
with that logic GT3RS with 909WP is super rare as is GT2RS without Weissach package. People breaking out options and then comparing against entire models to validate a rarity argument is inconsistent and pretty funny manipulation.
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Makes them feel good ^^
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Originally Posted by Dot23RS
with that logic GT3RS with 909WP is super rare as is GT2RS without Weissach package. People breaking out options and then comparing against entire models to validate a rarity argument is inconsistent and pretty funny manipulation.

haha you’re acting as if I care if my GT3 is going to become a classic or not. I don’t. I bought my car to drive. 7000 miles in 5 months. If I wanted to brag about a car becoming a classic or not before it’s a year old and just stare at it in the garage then I would have bought an RS. You been in the defensive since the start. Take a breather, go outside and enjoy your car. Or don’t. Hopefully there’s a cars and coffee by you soon. Relieve that tension. Woooo sahhhh


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