speed77

At least we all agree the 992 is pretty damn ugly

RoyalPink

Agreed. It definitely looks like its had one too many jelly donuts (think bloated).

welikethetrack

This has literally never happened, and probably never will, a higher end trim (more expensive, better engine, lighter, etc.) being worth less than its lesser trim because of an option....the only time it’s come close is the 430 manual and scuderia. And 599 gtb manual and gto.....And the only reason it got kind of close is the manuals were SO insanely rare. AND ferrari cut off all gated manuals....using that example I’d say the the touring doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of becoming a classic. The r was the “first” AND numbered, it will dwarf the price of a touring in years to come, IF you want to bubble wrap a car to stare at as an “investment” and you are holding a touring for that I suggest u swap and get the r immediately if your a huge touring fan. This is the smallest delta between a touring and a 911 r you WILL EVER SEE! if you want something to drive that won’t depreciate as much as most other cars get a 991.2 gt3 manual.

The only way the 991.2 3rs becomes a future classic and fast is if they go hybrid on the next one. Other than that, no one will care. Your touring people saying it’s rare are the same as saying a non wp or the 908 or 808 or whichever will be worth WAY more than the others because it’s rare....it’s the same car. It might have a small premium but...not much and it was a costly option

YOUR TOURING WILL NEVER BE WORTH MUCH MORE THAN a 991.2 gt3 manual...ITS A FREE OPTION YIKES come on now

If i could bet you and turn the clocks forward 30 years I would bet the bank your wrong....there’s 100,000 awesome manual Porsche’s. There’s not that many awesome N/A GT high revving RS’s without a 3rd pedal and a great gearbox. Fast forward 30 years and I think it will be a wrinkle in time that existed....I was strictly and I mean strictly a 3 pedal guy and now with the friends I have that don’t drove manual, the gearboxes shifting times these things have, and my experience with a 430 scuderia (that fraction in time where Ferrari made one of the most insane engines of all time AND put it on a crazy 60ms single clutch f1 automated manual tranny before it was all dual clutch and hybrid and turbos) have taught me we have another wave of awesome we will most likely never see again. Porsche will move on to turbos and hybrid....if u look back and want something that looks crazy, has an N/A Motorsport engine, and is “raw” I think the 991 RS is awesome.

and let me just add in that I love the 997’s more than all of them personally, but the most insane racecar they’ve ever made is the 991.2 3rs....it’s to me somehow more raw than even a 997, loud stiff, dramatic. Literally no other manufacturer u could say that with at the moment

fxz

to be logic thinker we have to think worldwide production numbers,
otherwise we ll go saying I have a super rare Toyota Prius because it's the only one in my little village, is it a Prius super rare??

A 997 RS with oem radio delete cost more than an RS with PCM
despite it s a free option

rarity has its weight only if makes it more classic

just to give an example the few lime gold metallic 991.1 aren't more expensive because "rare"

but to be a classic you need
to have both
the worldwude rarity and a manual
the worldwide rarity and no pcm

nonsense rarity per se is worth nothing

welikethetrack

No one cares if a collectible Ferrari has radio delete or not....doubt they’ll care if a Porsche does....

Porsche911GTS'16

I agree with fxz. Rarity does not necessarily equate to "classic." There are lots of things that are rare that are far from classic. I just can't see why a 991.2 GT3 RS would be a "classic" given that the next GT3 RS will have the same transmission (only, in all likelihood better) and the engine will be better as well. It is simply the next step in the evolution of the RS. Now, if the next RS is hybrid or turbo, I will change my tune. Then, I would say the 991.2 RS is absolutely a classic, as it would be the last purely NA GT3 RS but by all accounts, this is not going to be the case.

fxz

you must be an expert

"Recently at the Amelia Island auction of Gooding & Co, a rare 2011 example of the Porsche 997 GT3 RS 4.0 was sold for an incredible $748,000,
there are reasons for its rarity, but it still doesn't justify the shockingly steep price,
this particular model is one of only two black examples that have the factory audio delete option checked."

Bobby 911

you're obviously not a collector and have no collector friends. collectors care about a lot of things, including mileage, manufacturing year, number of owners, and all kinds of specs. radio delete will be a deal-breaker for some and highly desired by others.

Bobby 911

i know right?! that's almost as bad as conflating pdk and manual transmissions!

white6speed

30 years from now there will be no ICE's and gas could be $30 a gallon or more and one would have to wonder about parts and technicians.
Have fun while you can.

CubsFan1

Is there any forum member who is an original owner of a 993 turbo who argued with his buddies whether or not his car would become a future classic, while the car was still a year old?

It may be easier to find someone who bought one back in the day and reflects back now and say what if...

Christian Plyler

If there are at least two of them for sale, it's a competitive market. If there aren't, then there is no market. Your observations above are spot on, but they don't change the definitions of stuff.

catdog2

right, that's what they said 30 years ago...

Waxer

LOL.

Look, 991 GT cars whether Touring, GT3, 2RS, 3RS and whether .1 or .2 will not be considered "classics" in the sense of Bizzareni's, Ferrari TR250, Murias etc....imho. You would have to hold them another 25 years to find out and I for one likely will not do that. I might switch to Mac to try something new if they didn't totally implode as far as resale.

I do think the 991 GT cars will continue to be desirable and values will hold relatively strong as the 992 and its variants slip further into techy stuff, digital gauges, computers, electric this and that and ever growing size overall.

Each GT variant is relatively rare in production WW. In the U.S., (our relevant market) the .2 Touring, .2 manual and .2 RS is pretty rare. They are the best of the .2 GT generation. If the 992 GT's knock it out the park performance wise but are more techy, less analogue, more electric and less mechanical then the .2 GT gen will have to wait to be have a chance to go up in value but will hold their value well especially when you consider the inevitable price increases.

I agree that if there is electric or turbo 992 GT3/RS the .2's will go up instantly in value.

horns

LOL. I guess the market has spoken. GT3 RS 4.0s are worth somewhere between 500-750k I guess. I wonder if the buyers think they are classics.

I think the 748k car sold a couple years ago, but this one sold more recently.

https://www.classic.com/veh/2011-por...85718-nOXbmEW/