991.2 GT3 RS to become a future classic ?
10-24-2019, 12:58 AM
#286
Drifting
Either way this GT3 is unlikely destined to be a classic - while rareness and uniqueness plays its part the bigger drivers seem to how the car was received at the time it was built. The 991 GT3 in both forms is a great car but it’s not really a standout. In contrast the 2RS and 3RS clearly are. You can tell as soon as you drive either of them.
10-24-2019, 03:01 AM
#287
Groundhog - it is so much fun respectfully disagreeing with you! I can forward you several journal reviews in which the author states that the GT3T is one of the best 911s they have ever driven. Perhaps it is hyperbole to you and it is only their opinion, but it is not just certain Rennlisters who think the Touring is something special. I think the Touring, Speedster and the R are the standouts from the 991 generation. Just my opinion. Flame suit on.
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10-24-2019, 10:33 AM
#288
Ain't that the truth!!! The most stressful part of my life is having to remember not to complain about anything, because if I do, everyone will look at me like I'm a spoiled idiot. I'm not a mega millionaire with ten hyper-cars and a private jet, but I've got enough for a nice house and a new Porsche and putting my boys through college, and that's enough that the masses would consider me rich. And I'm in the industrial construction business, so a high percentage of my social group is blue collar, and they all think I'm filthy stinking rich.
10-24-2019, 10:41 AM
#289
Crossed thread and deleted 😀
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10-24-2019, 08:54 PM
#291
"I can forward you several journal reviews in which the author states that the GT3T is one of the best 911s they have ever driven."
Don't understand how a Touring can be so much greater than a manual GT3 without that extra down force. If those 911 numbered R were never built, will this Touring thing receive so much attention? Or the true reason of excitement is about "look this is a R with fat discount and better engine"?
Don't understand how a Touring can be so much greater than a manual GT3 without that extra down force. If those 911 numbered R were never built, will this Touring thing receive so much attention? Or the true reason of excitement is about "look this is a R with fat discount and better engine"?
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mclarenmaniac (10-25-2019)
10-24-2019, 09:03 PM
#292
Sure did “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
although this is perhaps my favourite
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
If I stuck a wing on your car would it still be a GT3 - answer yes.
If I removed the wing again would it still be a GT3 - answer yes
In either case would it be an R or an RS - answer no
😀
although this is perhaps my favourite
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
If I stuck a wing on your car would it still be a GT3 - answer yes.
If I removed the wing again would it still be a GT3 - answer yes
In either case would it be an R or an RS - answer no
😀
10-24-2019, 09:33 PM
#293
.....Don't understand how a Touring can be so much greater than a manual GT3 without that extra down force. If those 911 numbered R were never built, will this Touring thing receive so much attention? Or the true reason of excitement is about "look this is a R with fat discount and better engine"?
To put relative production numbers into perspective, way more 2RSs were made than Rs and Speedsters combined.
Forget about all the other 991 GT3 variants other than Rs and Speedsters. Absolute lost causes in comparison.
So, back to OP's question..."991.2 GT3 RS to become a future classic ?" I think yes but only to the extent that it was the king of roadgoing 991's, and nothing more than that.
10-26-2019, 05:17 AM
#294
I’m preparing for a private track day and was loading multiple cars on a truck last night, some of mine and some of friends. Ranged from my 996 Cup to 997.2RS and different versions of 991RS... when you see a new car like the 991 in isolation you tend to look back on how good the old cars were and how pure. But jumping in and out of the cars from different generation, the 991 now feels (and smells) like a perfect leather glove. I’ll be driving the three generations on track and that is where they have to prove their real worth (though 997RS on Nitron suspension and slicks is far from standard) but the thing that makes a car a Classic is the impression it leaves at standstill. And that’s where imv the 991RS (the .1 even more so than the .2) has so much sex appeal.
Rarity is of course always an aspect of being a classic and also the cars that followed, either outclassing the previous or losing something in the process. But purely as an object the 991RS is a classic in my eyes. Just like the E46 M3, 993C2 and E39 M5 were, despite being built in high numbers. 964 may well be the best example of a mass produced car that became a classic. And that happened after a period in which you couldn’t give them away and they were unloved exotics. In other words, many ways to define a classic and normally impossible to predict.
Rarity is of course always an aspect of being a classic and also the cars that followed, either outclassing the previous or losing something in the process. But purely as an object the 991RS is a classic in my eyes. Just like the E46 M3, 993C2 and E39 M5 were, despite being built in high numbers. 964 may well be the best example of a mass produced car that became a classic. And that happened after a period in which you couldn’t give them away and they were unloved exotics. In other words, many ways to define a classic and normally impossible to predict.
10-26-2019, 12:30 PM
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This thread is the proof that an RS average buyer is neither to be close to understand what is a classic,
why a 997 GT with radio delete is worth more than one with Radio installed ? Everyone can remove aftermarket and easily their Radio or their Wing but only Radio delete from factory is considered more valuable or classic, once you understand this you will understand why a Touring is worth more than a Winged GT3 or why a Weissach PF RS 991.3 is worth more than a base 991.2 RS
why a 997 GT with radio delete is worth more than one with Radio installed ? Everyone can remove aftermarket and easily their Radio or their Wing but only Radio delete from factory is considered more valuable or classic, once you understand this you will understand why a Touring is worth more than a Winged GT3 or why a Weissach PF RS 991.3 is worth more than a base 991.2 RS
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10-26-2019, 12:58 PM
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10-27-2019, 06:19 PM
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This thread is the proof that an RS average buyer is neither to be close to understand what is a classic,
why a 997 GT with radio delete is worth more than one with Radio installed ? Everyone can remove aftermarket and easily their Radio or their Wing but only Radio delete from factory is considered more valuable or classic, once you understand this you will understand why a Touring is worth more than a Winged GT3 or why a Weissach PF RS 991.3 is worth more than a base 991.2 RS
why a 997 GT with radio delete is worth more than one with Radio installed ? Everyone can remove aftermarket and easily their Radio or their Wing but only Radio delete from factory is considered more valuable or classic, once you understand this you will understand why a Touring is worth more than a Winged GT3 or why a Weissach PF RS 991.3 is worth more than a base 991.2 RS
I'd be curious when 992 GT3 comes out, how many will be optioned for "touring".
10-27-2019, 06:23 PM
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10-27-2019, 06:38 PM
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Going to be hard to charge those electric cars in Cali without electricity. My dad has had no power for 2 days, and this is the second time this month. Even the solar panels don’t provide electricity during an outage unless you have battery storage, which almost nobody does.