New GT3/GT2RS Leads With/Without ADM
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02-08-2018, 02:24 PM
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02-08-2018, 02:25 PM
#889
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02-08-2018, 02:34 PM
#891
unfortunately, that’s not the argument CW is making in his post. I’m sure he is well aware of the shenanigans dealers do to get sought after cars. He is bringing to light one dealer in particular that uses these shenanigans then turns around and disparages others for playing those same ADM games. I, at least, appreciate the transparency he has outlined.
02-08-2018, 02:39 PM
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I'm not sure I understand how buying cars on the open market, either from private parties or other dealers, qualifies as 'shenanigans'. Please explain that to me, because I thought a dealer that sells both new and used cars, would be expected to actively source out inventory to resell to their customers. Would you not do that if you owned a dealership? Do you think if CJ didn't buy those cars on the open market (and put his money at risk, i.e., run a for profit business), those cars wouldn't get sold at those prices? His acting as an intermediary and providing a service to his customers is a bad thing?
It's called good business to supply a customer driven demand, honestly and with integrity, while making a respectable profit for those efforts.
CUDOS to CJ!
02-08-2018, 02:55 PM
#894
I'm not sure I understand how buying cars on the open market, either from private parties or other dealers, qualifies as 'shenanigans'. Please explain that to me, because I thought a dealer that sells both new and used cars, would be expected to actively source out inventory to resell to their customers. Would you not do that if you owned a dealership? Do you think if CJ didn't buy those cars on the open market (and put his money at risk, i.e., run a for profit business), those cars wouldn't get sold at those prices? His acting as an intermediary and providing a service to his customers is a bad thing?
02-08-2018, 03:08 PM
#895
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Dealers are in business to make money, just like any other company is. I have no problem with them marking their cars up. If there are arbitrage opportunities, go for it. The market ultimately decides if a given price is justified or not. And there are risks of being wrong, or getting caught with inventory before a market crash. It's just capitalism.
02-08-2018, 03:20 PM
#896
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Originally Posted by WenigerAberBeser
call it what you want, good business, shenanigans, slime... it’s still not the point of the argument CW was making. FWIW, I’d probably do the same thing C.J. was doing, especially to grow a smaller dealership, but I wouldn’t parade around touting I’m super transparent and disparaging other dealers that have similar tactics.
02-08-2018, 03:33 PM
#897
CW just can't help keep digging himself into a deeper and deeper hole. First he goes after me then PNH and now he's at it with CJ and Whoosy, geezzz. Quit while you are behind CW.
02-08-2018, 05:16 PM
#899
call it what you want, good business, shenanigans, slime... it’s still not the point of the argument CW was making. FWIW, I’d probably do the same thing C.J. was doing, especially to grow a smaller dealership, but I wouldn’t parade around touting I’m super transparent and disparaging other dealers that have similar tactics.
02-08-2018, 05:24 PM
#900
If that is truly his point, then his argument holds no water. A dealer playing games on a new car, using a customer's name unknown to them to spec an allocation, is a shenanigan. A dealer actively trading cars on the secondary market, totally above board and transparently, is an entirely different thing. It's normal business for any dealer that trades in used vehicles, regardless of whether it's a GT car or a 4 cylinder Macan. If CW is arguing that what CJ is doing in the secondary market is shady, that's pure nonsense. I was understanding that CW was contending that CJ was misrepresenting something that transpired with regard to a dealer and a new GT car from Porsche. I have a hard time following what CW is saying because his tone is so nasty and sarcastic.