New/Used Inventory GT4, Spyder, GTS for Sale
#1546
Mine and passive aggressively. I will leave you to probably contest that it was somehow positive in your mindset, but it does not come across that way to others as mentioned by others in this thread.
Anyways, good luck with your mythical recession Spyders. In history, likely you will at some point, maybe, possibly get there. Hope you have something you are enjoying in the meantime.
Anyways, good luck with your mythical recession Spyders. In history, likely you will at some point, maybe, possibly get there. Hope you have something you are enjoying in the meantime.
Last edited by Archimedes; 08-23-2023 at 07:57 PM.
#1547
Rennlist Member
It used to be heavily moderated. I would report posts and they would get deleted. You weren't even supposed to talk about people's prices. I'm not sure what happened but I've seen moderators here more interested in arguing with other members than cleaning up classifieds posts.
The world changes and so should Rennlist if they want to remain relevant.
Last edited by MaddMike; 08-23-2023 at 08:42 PM.
#1548
Wouldn't assume it was a flip for sure - some people just have to have the latest and greatest. Probably saw the Spyder RS announcement drop and just had to have that instead!
In any case - you forgot to include BAT fees, so with that it might be even more they spent for those few miles.
In any case - you forgot to include BAT fees, so with that it might be even more they spent for those few miles.
#1549
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
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Wouldn't assume it was a flip for sure - some people just have to have the latest and greatest. Probably saw the Spyder RS announcement drop and just had to have that instead!
In any case - you forgot to include BAT fees, so with that it might be even more they spent for those few miles.
In any case - you forgot to include BAT fees, so with that it might be even more they spent for those few miles.
I don’t understand your comment with respect to the Spyder RS, no allocations have dropped in the US.
Seller picked up in May, sold in August and only drove it 700 miles. We can speculate on why, but it wasn’t to get an RS. If you wanted an RS you give it back to a dealer below book.
#1550
Racer
There's a lot of doh with this build Nav with Connect is a waste of money...can you even hear the burmester with the thin tent covering...also after spending all that he skipped PDLS+...also PDK...also black...like this was not a very well thought out spec. Buyer paid 131. I'd rather pay 120 for a 110 msrp in a better color and manual. Generally people say options don't increase value (i'd argue some do...but there's a lot here that doesn't).
#1551
Racer
It used to be heavily moderated. I would report posts and they would get deleted. You weren't even supposed to talk about people's prices. I'm not sure what happened but I've seen moderators here more interested in arguing with other members than cleaning up classifieds posts.
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MaddMike (08-23-2023)
#1552
I'm sure the spec of that BAT car didn't help the final sales price. That being said, it closed around ~100% of MSRP (including fees). That brings the average over the last several months on BAT for 718 Spyders to ~ 105% of MSRP (including fees).
Obviously other cars are transacting at different prices (above and below MSRP), but these are sales everyone can see (and compare directly to MSRP). It's not definitively "the market", but to a lot of prospective buyers it's a "representative market."
Obviously other cars are transacting at different prices (above and below MSRP), but these are sales everyone can see (and compare directly to MSRP). It's not definitively "the market", but to a lot of prospective buyers it's a "representative market."
#1553
exactly, $5k or even $15k won’t change the lives of most folks that buy this level of performance cars. If it does, you shouldn’t be buying it.
with that said, if you really want a car, just buy it. The future price could be more or less, but along the way, buyers miss months or even years of driving some of the very best cars available for the price.
with that said, if you really want a car, just buy it. The future price could be more or less, but along the way, buyers miss months or even years of driving some of the very best cars available for the price.
If a seller doesn't want to sell below a certain price, they don't have to. But insinuating buyers should ignore broader market conditions, and that if they can't/won't they shouldn't buy the car is kind of silly.
Just because I can afford to absorb $30k in depreciation on a car in 1-2 years doesn't mean I want to, or should. Most people who end up with the money to afford these toys didn't get there by taking $30k beatings on a whim.
#1554
Rennlist Member
Most people who cant buy these cars are in hock and have a hard time getting financing. I would say the people who need affirmation for their purchases are not decision makers but salary drones. Just an observation from an old Farmer.
Decision makers make a decision and act on it ie don't spend time whining on RL about how unfair the buyers or sellers are.
Peter
Decision makers make a decision and act on it ie don't spend time whining on RL about how unfair the buyers or sellers are.
Peter
#1555
I'm sure the spec of that BAT car didn't help the final sales price. That being said, it closed around ~100% of MSRP (including fees). That brings the average over the last several months on BAT for 718 Spyders to ~ 105% of MSRP (including fees).
Obviously other cars are transacting at different prices (above and below MSRP), but these are sales everyone can see (and compare directly to MSRP). It's not definitively "the market", but to a lot of prospective buyers it's a "representative market."
Obviously other cars are transacting at different prices (above and below MSRP), but these are sales everyone can see (and compare directly to MSRP). It's not definitively "the market", but to a lot of prospective buyers it's a "representative market."
#1556
Most people who cant buy these cars are in hock and have a hard time getting financing. I would say the people who need affirmation for their purchases are not decision makers but salary drones. Just an observation from an old Farmer.
Decision makers make a decision and act on it ie don't spend time whining on RL about how unfair the buyers or sellers are.
Peter
Decision makers make a decision and act on it ie don't spend time whining on RL about how unfair the buyers or sellers are.
Peter
#1557
That said, I agree this build has problems. Red interior, PDK, no LED lights, markup for Nav/Burmester, sofas not buckets, etc. I'm sure it fits well for someone looking for a commuter/cruiser, but it isnt the low volume 'driving enthusiast' build that can attract a premium due to rarity (lwbs, manual, led, interesting colour, etc)
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BoxKing (08-24-2023)
#1558
Rennlist Member
Its certainly not irrelevant. Market value is set by two parties; what the seller is willing to accepta nd what the buyer is willing to pay. If I can buy the exact same car from somewhere without the BaT 5k Im going to - the market value is what the buyers will pay, and if the BaT markup puts it out of reach its over market, even if the seller is 'at market'
That said, I agree this build has problems. Red interior, PDK, no LED lights, markup for Nav/Burmester, sofas not buckets, etc. I'm sure it fits well for someone looking for a commuter/cruiser, but it isnt the low volume 'driving enthusiast' build that can attract a premium due to rarity (lwbs, manual, led, interesting colour, etc)
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brock256 (08-24-2023)
#1559
for the led lights, my opinion, unsubstantiated, is that they’re important - especially on a build speccing for driving. I do not daily my spyder but I do road trip it and drive at night and lights are, for me, a key safety feature. I actually preferred the look of the xenons, but chose pdls+ anyway,
#1560
Racer
This vehicle is MY23. Depending on production date, some of the options in question weren't even available. Specifically, LWBS, PTS, and PDLS+. Given the low volume of production of the 718 Spyder and GT4 (~2,480 and ~3,208 respectively), the ability to be selective over build spec will begin to wane as people realize this. Statistically there's also a likelihood a prospective buyer's "dream spec" may have never even been produced to be resold given the possibile permutations. I expect there to be some serious compromises if one truly wants one of these cars secondhand.
Last edited by Clark_Kent; 08-24-2023 at 08:03 PM.