718 GTS 4.0
02-23-2020, 02:25 AM
#346
Get the 981 GT4. You will get a car that looks more aggressive and sounds EPIC. The GTS 4.0L will be heavier, have the start/stop and cylinder deactivation BS and sound like Tom Jones with a ball gag and IMHO the 718 rear is fugly with that porsche billboard. It really comes down to whether you want to spec your own car or if you can find a 981 GT4 spec'd the way you want it.
02-23-2020, 08:29 AM
#347
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Taking the thread in a slightly different direction. PCA blurb that comes in e-mail said that Porsche released the GTS 4.0 in response to the C8 Corvette and its performance to price ratio for the possibility of attracting potential C8 buyers with a larger NASP engine. I don't know - I still think not many would cross shop the two cars. The C8 remains 'faster' (0-60) and tackier (I was willing to give it a chance, it looked like crap when I saw it in person at the Philly auto show). I'm not trying to start another entire C8 thread - that's been beaten to death. Just curious if you guys think the GTS 4.0 was Porsche's answer to the C8. I don't.
Last edited by ldamelio; 02-23-2020 at 05:33 PM.
02-23-2020, 10:06 AM
#348
02-23-2020, 10:16 AM
#349
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They were always going to stick the 4 liter in some other models. The C8 is of a completely different size and a dog with different tricks. It's also completely irrelevant in the rest of the world outside of NA.
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02-24-2020, 05:33 PM
#350
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The above is all true, but Porsche would rather claim to be releasing a car as a response to a pos American V8 'roidmobile made of plastic with an automatic transmission than to admit they made a mistake and ruined a few years of sales by putting a 4 cyl turbo pos motor in an otherwise world-class sports car.
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02-24-2020, 06:46 PM
#351
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Get the 981 GT4. You will get a car that looks more aggressive and sounds EPIC. The GTS 4.0L will be heavier, have the start/stop and cylinder deactivation BS and sound like Tom Jones with a ball gag and IMHO the 718 rear is fugly with that porsche billboard. It really comes down to whether you want to spec your own car or if you can find a 981 GT4 spec'd the way you want it.
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02-25-2020, 08:11 AM
#352
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The above is all true, but Porsche would rather claim to be releasing a car as a response to a pos American V8 'roidmobile made of plastic with an automatic transmission than to admit that they can fleece some retrogrouches who insist on naturally aspirated 6 over an efficient, equally powerful T4 in a world-class sports car.
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02-25-2020, 10:21 AM
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02-25-2020, 10:29 AM
#354
02-25-2020, 11:42 AM
#355
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I often find it astonishing when folks defend the 4T.
Here is my story: I’m not an expert when it comes to performance cars. I had a Subaru BRZ as my first sports car and I did not know even the difference between turbo and NA. It just happened that I had accidentally bought an NA car. I liked the car a lot, and the response to throttle seemed immediate to me. After I got more into sports cars, I wanted something more. It was around the time that Porsche had moved to 4T for the Cayman S. I test drove one with the PDK and felt it lacked immediacy in response. I then test drove one with the manual and it felt much better but it was still not instant. It was good enough (or the feeling of buying a new Porsche got into my brain’s decision making) that I decided to move forward specially since my wife also liked the idea of buying a Porsche. Also, I could not afford a 911 and I like to always buy new cars.
After the honeymoon period with the car, and realizing I probably shouldn’t have spent north of $80k on a 4T car, things started to bother me. The final nail on the coffin was when my buddy bought a used 981 base with PDK and when I drove it, the throttle response felt much sharper than my Cayman S and reminded me of fun times with the BRZ. After that I could definitely always feel the lag. I always drove on 2nd or 3rd and was at around 14 mpg (primary city driving) but not that efficient.
At the end, I sold the car and I’m waiting on the delivery of my Spyder. In my opinion no compromises should be made when you buy a car, otherwise it will hunt you down the road.
Here is my story: I’m not an expert when it comes to performance cars. I had a Subaru BRZ as my first sports car and I did not know even the difference between turbo and NA. It just happened that I had accidentally bought an NA car. I liked the car a lot, and the response to throttle seemed immediate to me. After I got more into sports cars, I wanted something more. It was around the time that Porsche had moved to 4T for the Cayman S. I test drove one with the PDK and felt it lacked immediacy in response. I then test drove one with the manual and it felt much better but it was still not instant. It was good enough (or the feeling of buying a new Porsche got into my brain’s decision making) that I decided to move forward specially since my wife also liked the idea of buying a Porsche. Also, I could not afford a 911 and I like to always buy new cars.
After the honeymoon period with the car, and realizing I probably shouldn’t have spent north of $80k on a 4T car, things started to bother me. The final nail on the coffin was when my buddy bought a used 981 base with PDK and when I drove it, the throttle response felt much sharper than my Cayman S and reminded me of fun times with the BRZ. After that I could definitely always feel the lag. I always drove on 2nd or 3rd and was at around 14 mpg (primary city driving) but not that efficient.
At the end, I sold the car and I’m waiting on the delivery of my Spyder. In my opinion no compromises should be made when you buy a car, otherwise it will hunt you down the road.
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02-25-2020, 12:28 PM
#356
02-25-2020, 01:11 PM
#357
02-25-2020, 01:13 PM
#358
The car will join a diverse stable of cars. I own 2006 Elise Sport, 2013 CTS-V wagon (manual). I also have a 2015 Land Cruiser for overlanding, 2012 Tacoma TX Baja for truckish things. And 2019 i3 BEV for commuting. Technically the GTS will replace a modified 2005 Subaru Legacy GT wagon (also manual) that I still have and will sell soon. Technically as in 4-banger turbo.
See the pattern? Different tools for different things. I struggled with decision a bit because of all the sound hype and sure the NA flat-6 sounds nice when on boil. But I am afraid the new 4.0 will be anemic in typical driving and I do love the turbo, it's a riot on the street where I will be using mine. Also the new 4.0 does not seem to sound as nice as the 981's 3.8. But then the 3.8 is a non-starter due to the packaging. I don't care for GT4 nor Spyder and particularly I do not care for the long geared manual box in these cars.
For my NA fix with a manual, it's where my Elise comes in.
02-25-2020, 01:16 PM
#359
Meh. I am about buy a 718 BGTS w/PDK. I spent few days in a base 718 PDK (w/PSE) and loved it. The turbo, the sound, everything in the package. I could probably wait and save some money, but I found a perfect config/color for a decent price (2018 CPO till 9/24 with 600 miles for $73k, MSRP $95k) so I decided to bite.
The car will join a diverse stable of cars. I own 2006 Elise Sport, 2013 CTS-V wagon (manual). I also have a 2015 Land Cruiser for overlanding, 2012 Tacoma TX Baja for truckish things. And 2019 i3 for commuting. Technically the GTS will replace a modified 2005 Subaru Legacy GT wagon (also manual) that I still have and will sell soon. Technically as in 4-banger turbo.
See the pattern? Different tools for different things. I struggled with decision a bit because of all the sound hype and sure the NA flat-6 sounds nice when on boil. But I am afraid the new 4.0 will be anemic in typical driving and I do love the turbo, it's a riot on the street where I will be using mine. Also the new 4.0 does not seem to sound as nice as the 981's 3.8. But then the 3.8 is a non-starter due to the packaging. I don't care for GT4 nor Spyder and particularly I do not care for the long geared manual box in these cars.
For my NA fix with a manual, it's where my Elise comes in.
The car will join a diverse stable of cars. I own 2006 Elise Sport, 2013 CTS-V wagon (manual). I also have a 2015 Land Cruiser for overlanding, 2012 Tacoma TX Baja for truckish things. And 2019 i3 for commuting. Technically the GTS will replace a modified 2005 Subaru Legacy GT wagon (also manual) that I still have and will sell soon. Technically as in 4-banger turbo.
See the pattern? Different tools for different things. I struggled with decision a bit because of all the sound hype and sure the NA flat-6 sounds nice when on boil. But I am afraid the new 4.0 will be anemic in typical driving and I do love the turbo, it's a riot on the street where I will be using mine. Also the new 4.0 does not seem to sound as nice as the 981's 3.8. But then the 3.8 is a non-starter due to the packaging. I don't care for GT4 nor Spyder and particularly I do not care for the long geared manual box in these cars.
For my NA fix with a manual, it's where my Elise comes in.
02-25-2020, 01:21 PM
#360
I often find it astonishing when folks defend the 4T.
Here is my story: I’m not an expert when it comes to performance cars. I had a Subaru BRZ as my first sports car and I did not know even the difference between turbo and NA. It just happened that I had accidentally bought an NA car. I liked the car a lot, and the response to throttle seemed immediate to me. After I got more into sports cars, I wanted something more. It was around the time that Porsche had moved to 4T for the Cayman S. I test drove one with the PDK and felt it lacked immediacy in response. I then test drove one with the manual and it felt much better but it was still not instant. It was good enough (or the feeling of buying a new Porsche got into my brain’s decision making) that I decided to move forward specially since my wife also liked the idea of buying a Porsche. Also, I could not afford a 911 and I like to always buy new cars.
After the honeymoon period with the car, and realizing I probably shouldn’t have spent north of $80k on a 4T car, things started to bother me. The final nail on the coffin was when my buddy bought a used 981 base with PDK and when I drove it, the throttle response felt much sharper than my Cayman S and reminded me of fun times with the BRZ. After that I could definitely always feel the lag. I always drove on 2nd or 3rd and was at around 14 mpg (primary city driving) but not that efficient.
At the end, I sold the car and I’m waiting on the delivery of my Spyder. In my opinion no compromises should be made when you buy a car, otherwise it will hunt you down the road.
Here is my story: I’m not an expert when it comes to performance cars. I had a Subaru BRZ as my first sports car and I did not know even the difference between turbo and NA. It just happened that I had accidentally bought an NA car. I liked the car a lot, and the response to throttle seemed immediate to me. After I got more into sports cars, I wanted something more. It was around the time that Porsche had moved to 4T for the Cayman S. I test drove one with the PDK and felt it lacked immediacy in response. I then test drove one with the manual and it felt much better but it was still not instant. It was good enough (or the feeling of buying a new Porsche got into my brain’s decision making) that I decided to move forward specially since my wife also liked the idea of buying a Porsche. Also, I could not afford a 911 and I like to always buy new cars.
After the honeymoon period with the car, and realizing I probably shouldn’t have spent north of $80k on a 4T car, things started to bother me. The final nail on the coffin was when my buddy bought a used 981 base with PDK and when I drove it, the throttle response felt much sharper than my Cayman S and reminded me of fun times with the BRZ. After that I could definitely always feel the lag. I always drove on 2nd or 3rd and was at around 14 mpg (primary city driving) but not that efficient.
At the end, I sold the car and I’m waiting on the delivery of my Spyder. In my opinion no compromises should be made when you buy a car, otherwise it will hunt you down the road.
I don't have that view. When we purchased our car in 2018 it was one of the best sports cars on the road at any price, and particularly for the price that we paid. My opinion hasn't changed since then. For that reason, I'm not bothered by what I paid for my speedy little T4 CGTS. So now there is a new car to drool over that has F6 & NA. That new car is capable of I believe all of 2mph on top of the 180mph our car is capable of. I'd be amazed if I ever got within 30mph or that top end. Acceleration? Pretty much a wash between the two. Efficiency? The ratings I see for the GTS 4.0 indicates owners can expect 22mpg at most while highway driving, considerably less around town or when winging it hard. My car gets me 26-27 mpg on the highway, also considerably less when pushed. Sure, that's low priority in a sports car but it's still reality. Sound? It's all in the ears. I've heard comparisons with the NA6 & T4. I personally think the T4 sounds better. It's a tenor rather than a soprano, a cello rather than a violin.
MOO & FWIW
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