718 GT4RS
11-02-2020, 08:30 PM
#916
Remember the last gen being so track worthy as promised by GM. Except that after a few laps it decided it needed a nap before the start of the next session. Oh yeah, didn't they also change the tranny for the 2nd year.
Can't believe that marketing arm. At least Ford did better out of their box with the GT350s.
11-02-2020, 08:42 PM
#917
Race Director
Originally Posted by ExMB
Thats the engine. OK.
Remember the last gen being so track worthy as promised by GM. Except that after a few laps it decided it needed a nap before the start of the next session. Oh yeah, didn't they also change the tranny for the 2nd year.
Can't believe that marketing arm. At least Ford did better out of their box with the GT350s.
Remember the last gen being so track worthy as promised by GM. Except that after a few laps it decided it needed a nap before the start of the next session. Oh yeah, didn't they also change the tranny for the 2nd year.
Can't believe that marketing arm. At least Ford did better out of their box with the GT350s.
If we want bleeding edge tech, there are going to be issues.. as long as the OEM's stand behind them, I'd rather have insanely cool cars than another safe twin turbo ho hum v6 which everyone is going to.
11-02-2020, 08:59 PM
#918
Thats the engine. OK.
Remember the last gen being so track worthy as promised by GM. Except that after a few laps it decided it needed a nap before the start of the next session. Oh yeah, didn't they also change the tranny for the 2nd year.
Can't believe that marketing arm. At least Ford did better out of their box with the GT350s.
Remember the last gen being so track worthy as promised by GM. Except that after a few laps it decided it needed a nap before the start of the next session. Oh yeah, didn't they also change the tranny for the 2nd year.
Can't believe that marketing arm. At least Ford did better out of their box with the GT350s.
No offense, but it sounds like you have a biased against GM. Your comment isn't objective at all.
Porsche has had issues with the GT3's, Ford has had MANY issues with the GT350 motor and routinely blow up on the track, others use A LOT of oil.
At least with the 5.5L in the upcoming Z06, it is race proven already in the C8R race car. Ford didn't use the GT350 motor in a racing application before using it. GM didn't use the LS7 from the C6 Z06 in any racing applications either. The point here that GM THIS TIME is starting from their race motor and going from there.
It amazes me how many car enthusiasts have blinders on and such tunnel vision, just because of the name plate. At any given time any manufacturer can put out a superior product, regardless of price. That is why I am in a SS 1LE right now, even though I could afford others and I came from a 16' M3. GM is killing it right now and stepping up their game on interior quality. They have been leading the way in chassis and suspension now for quite a while. This is the reason why BMW has great sales on the M cars, when in fact they have been **** and behind the curve for 2 generations now. People buy into the "Ultimate Driving Machine" marketing crap and have tunnel vision.
I love my SS 1LE, but there are 3 reasons I am moving to the PDK GT4... Weight (the 1LE has high limits, but is heavy and you can feel it when throwing it around), PDK,& Mid-engine. And maybe to the C8 Z06 after that, depends.
Last edited by TRZ06; 11-02-2020 at 09:10 PM.
11-02-2020, 09:23 PM
#919
11-02-2020, 09:34 PM
#920
My case is different. I can say that because I owned and lived with the M3 for 3 years. My view is based on experience. BMW is going in the wrong direction with the //M brand. Most agree with this.
This does not mean however that they can't come back from it, BUT that is not the direction they are moving with the M brand currently.
I have owned most brands, Audi TTRS, BMW 335i, M3, Corvette Z06 C5 & C6, Camaro, Ford Mustang. I choose a car based more on its performance and direction, rather than brand. At any given time one manufacturer will rise against others and so the cycle goes, some rise, others fall and then they reverse years later.
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11-02-2020, 10:27 PM
#921
Pro
new article from TopSpeed but not much new
price $125,000 and 440 hp
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsch...-ar186605.html
price $125,000 and 440 hp
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsch...-ar186605.html
11-02-2020, 10:32 PM
#922
Definitely sounds like a PDK tranny.
11-02-2020, 10:34 PM
#923
Race Director
Originally Posted by Puggz
Centre lock wheels look like they're 19" magnesium. Naca ducts, ok. bigger rear wing, ok. Cant tell if the hood is CF. Weissach?
11-03-2020, 12:50 AM
#924
Regarding first statement... it definitely seems like this flat crank v8 engine is already in mules based on sound clips:
https://youtu.be/-cSh0-CAWRA
And regarding second statement... LOL you're so right.
https://youtu.be/-cSh0-CAWRA
And regarding second statement... LOL you're so right.
No offense, but it sounds like you have a biased against GM. Your comment isn't objective at all.
Porsche has had issues with the GT3's, Ford has had MANY issues with the GT350 motor and routinely blow up on the track, others use A LOT of oil.
At least with the 5.5L in the upcoming Z06, it is race proven already in the C8R race car. Ford didn't use the GT350 motor in a racing application before using it. GM didn't use the LS7 from the C6 Z06 in any racing applications either. The point here that GM THIS TIME is starting from their race motor and going from there.
It amazes me how many car enthusiasts have blinders on and such tunnel vision, just because of the name plate. At any given time any manufacturer can put out a superior product, regardless of price. That is why I am in a SS 1LE right now, even though I could afford others and I came from a 16' M3. GM is killing it right now and stepping up their game on interior quality. They have been leading the way in chassis and suspension now for quite a while. This is the reason why BMW has great sales on the M cars, when in fact they have been **** and behind the curve for 2 generations now. People buy into the "Ultimate Driving Machine" marketing crap and have tunnel vision.
I love my SS 1LE, but there are 3 reasons I am moving to the PDK GT4... Weight (the 1LE has high limits, but is heavy and you can feel it when throwing it around), PDK,& Mid-engine. And maybe to the C8 Z06 after that, depends.
Porsche has had issues with the GT3's, Ford has had MANY issues with the GT350 motor and routinely blow up on the track, others use A LOT of oil.
At least with the 5.5L in the upcoming Z06, it is race proven already in the C8R race car. Ford didn't use the GT350 motor in a racing application before using it. GM didn't use the LS7 from the C6 Z06 in any racing applications either. The point here that GM THIS TIME is starting from their race motor and going from there.
It amazes me how many car enthusiasts have blinders on and such tunnel vision, just because of the name plate. At any given time any manufacturer can put out a superior product, regardless of price. That is why I am in a SS 1LE right now, even though I could afford others and I came from a 16' M3. GM is killing it right now and stepping up their game on interior quality. They have been leading the way in chassis and suspension now for quite a while. This is the reason why BMW has great sales on the M cars, when in fact they have been **** and behind the curve for 2 generations now. People buy into the "Ultimate Driving Machine" marketing crap and have tunnel vision.
I love my SS 1LE, but there are 3 reasons I am moving to the PDK GT4... Weight (the 1LE has high limits, but is heavy and you can feel it when throwing it around), PDK,& Mid-engine. And maybe to the C8 Z06 after that, depends.
Thats the engine. OK.
Remember the last gen being so track worthy as promised by GM. Except that after a few laps it decided it needed a nap before the start of the next session. Oh yeah, didn't they also change the tranny for the 2nd year.
Can't believe that marketing arm. At least Ford did better out of their box with the GT350s.
Remember the last gen being so track worthy as promised by GM. Except that after a few laps it decided it needed a nap before the start of the next session. Oh yeah, didn't they also change the tranny for the 2nd year.
Can't believe that marketing arm. At least Ford did better out of their box with the GT350s.
They use the motor already in the C8R race car, so I think they have a good leg up already. Obviously the production car will be more powerful than the C8R is (as crazy as that is), so the question is will they be able to maintain that reliability with whatever power increase they give it.
The difference this time around though is it is now mid-engined, and has the interior & interior materials worthy of a 6 figure price tag (in 3LT form). In addition, a DCT gear box AND 8,500 to 9K redine from the 5.5L NA motor in the C8R race car.
People keep brushing off the upcoming C8 Z06 (understandable in a Porsche forum), but I'm telling you I think it is going to be different this time around.
My timing for replacing my SS 1LE is going to be the PDK GT4, however if GM nails the C8 Z06 and it gets good reviews and doesn't have major issues, I am not ruling out trading the GT4 for it after the hype wears down and the prices start to get discounted.
The C8 Z06 (without the Z07 package) is going to have 275 and 335 F/R tire sizes ( That is A LOT for a mid-engine car. I bet you see 1.25 stock lateral G limits on the base Z06 (Cup 2's) and 1.3 G's with the Z07 package (Cup 2 R's), along with 2.6ish 0-60 times. GM also has AMAZING traction control/stability systems (with PTM Modes), E-diff., and MRC shocks (or maybe DSSV's from the ZL1 1LE). The C8 Z06 will be a game changer for the mid-engine market IF GM pulls it off without any major issues.
People keep brushing off the upcoming C8 Z06 (understandable in a Porsche forum), but I'm telling you I think it is going to be different this time around.
My timing for replacing my SS 1LE is going to be the PDK GT4, however if GM nails the C8 Z06 and it gets good reviews and doesn't have major issues, I am not ruling out trading the GT4 for it after the hype wears down and the prices start to get discounted.
The C8 Z06 (without the Z07 package) is going to have 275 and 335 F/R tire sizes ( That is A LOT for a mid-engine car. I bet you see 1.25 stock lateral G limits on the base Z06 (Cup 2's) and 1.3 G's with the Z07 package (Cup 2 R's), along with 2.6ish 0-60 times. GM also has AMAZING traction control/stability systems (with PTM Modes), E-diff., and MRC shocks (or maybe DSSV's from the ZL1 1LE). The C8 Z06 will be a game changer for the mid-engine market IF GM pulls it off without any major issues.
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I completely agree. This will be a massively exciting car with that engine and yes.. 335 rear wheels.. and wider track, the grip this will generate will be immense. Now the question is whether they are going to go full crazy with the aero and include those movable side flaps from the USPTO drawings.
Attachment 1317918
I find the c8 simply hideous looking.. but with performance specs like these and flat crank NA v8... I'm in, couldn't care less what it looks like. I am VERY curious how they are going to develop a vibration-acceptable engine at that size.. normally flat crank v8's have issues when piston size gets bigger than 500cc... this will be a 688cc piston.. maybe some kind of magnetorheological engine mounts?
I completely agree. This will be a massively exciting car with that engine and yes.. 335 rear wheels.. and wider track, the grip this will generate will be immense. Now the question is whether they are going to go full crazy with the aero and include those movable side flaps from the USPTO drawings.
Attachment 1317918
I find the c8 simply hideous looking.. but with performance specs like these and flat crank NA v8... I'm in, couldn't care less what it looks like. I am VERY curious how they are going to develop a vibration-acceptable engine at that size.. normally flat crank v8's have issues when piston size gets bigger than 500cc... this will be a 688cc piston.. maybe some kind of magnetorheological engine mounts?
The C8 Z06, ZR1 are the equivalent of the American girl next who is also fluent in Italian....I think competitive market forces and this years sales should give management in stuttgart plenty of reasons to innovate and I hope for us the consumer are forced to cut prices.
Last edited by Avaley; 11-03-2020 at 01:00 AM.
11-03-2020, 01:08 AM
#925
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The C8 Z06, ZR1 are the equivalent of the American girl next who is also fluent in Italian....I think competitive market forces and this years sales should give management in stuttgart plenty of reasons to innovate and I hope for us the consumer are forced to cut prices.
The C8 Z06, ZR1 are the equivalent of the American girl next who is also fluent in Italian....I think competitive market forces and this years sales should give management in stuttgart plenty of reasons to innovate and I hope for us the consumer are forced to cut prices.
I'd rather be wrong here, but my experience matters to me.
11-03-2020, 01:26 AM
#926
Race Director
Originally Posted by DFW01TT
My business experience suggests that you underestimate German arrogance.
I'd rather be wrong here, but my experience matters to me.
I'd rather be wrong here, but my experience matters to me.
anyone noticed this new wheel design?.. ME LIKEY!!!!! these are from street driving in stuttgart...
these could be the basic wheel design
non-weissach wheel
these look like magnesium.. maybe a weissach package wheel??
Last edited by CAlexio; 11-03-2020 at 01:55 AM.
11-03-2020, 03:42 AM
#927
Rennlist Member
9000 RPM, mid engine, 600 horsepower and likely 2.5s 0-60. Shrieks like a ferrari and starts at $85,000. Considering the base model does 7:30 around the Nring, it really is different this time.
The C8 Z06, ZR1 are the equivalent of the American girl next who is also fluent in Italian....I think competitive market forces and this years sales should give management in stuttgart plenty of reasons to innovate and I hope for us the consumer are forced to cut prices.
The C8 Z06, ZR1 are the equivalent of the American girl next who is also fluent in Italian....I think competitive market forces and this years sales should give management in stuttgart plenty of reasons to innovate and I hope for us the consumer are forced to cut prices.
Every one have different choices and preferences, nothing wrong with that
That is why there are many manufacturers offering different cars for people with different tastes.Sort of true... they don't exactly move from their prescribed and predictable model line-up no matter what is thrown at them. Then again, if they weren't so determined they would stop building NA GT3 engines in this regulatory/emissions environment so... cuts both ways.
anyone noticed this new wheel design?.. ME LIKEY!!!!! these are from street driving in stuttgart...
anyone noticed this new wheel design?.. ME LIKEY!!!!! these are from street driving in stuttgart...
Given this information, GT4 RS most likely will sport a 305 tire at least.
Last edited by sin911; 11-03-2020 at 03:44 AM.
11-03-2020, 05:04 AM
#928
Rennlist Member
My case is different. I can say that because I owned and lived with the M3 for 3 years. My view is based on experience. BMW is going in the wrong direction with the //M brand. Most agree with this.
This does not mean however that they can't come back from it, BUT that is not the direction they are moving with the M brand currently.
I have owned most brands, Audi TTRS, BMW 335i, M3, Corvette Z06 C5 & C6, Camaro, Ford Mustang. I choose a car based more on its performance and direction, rather than brand. At any given time one manufacturer will rise against others and so the cycle goes, some rise, others fall and then they reverse years later.
This does not mean however that they can't come back from it, BUT that is not the direction they are moving with the M brand currently.
I have owned most brands, Audi TTRS, BMW 335i, M3, Corvette Z06 C5 & C6, Camaro, Ford Mustang. I choose a car based more on its performance and direction, rather than brand. At any given time one manufacturer will rise against others and so the cycle goes, some rise, others fall and then they reverse years later.
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11-05-2020, 11:42 AM
#929
I like the way you think. I previously had the 10 spd ZL1. What a blast having that power. It also ran all day without overheating. The biggest downsides for me was the outward visibility, overweight mass and high running cost in consumables. I will seriously consider a C8 Z06.
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11-05-2020, 02:39 PM
#930
imo, I think Porsche will lose buyers to the C8. Its too good of a value and I hope for us loyalists, the outcome is Porsche pricing gets reigned in from its current out of control state. $85k optioned out GTS 4.0s vs $85k poverty z06 seems like a nice choice for the consumer if you ask me!
Timing wise for me, it works out perfect. I will replace the SS 1LE with the PDK GT4, enjoy/keep it for 1.5 to 2 years and maybe move up to the C8 Z06 at that time. Although, if I love the GT4 as much as the reviewers/youtubers do, I might end up just keeping it, but it is nice to know that the C8 Z06 will be lurking out there as a alternative.
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