John McM

Thanks for the info I'll look at those for the Cayenne.

Macca

Good alternative if you don't want to be *** rapped by the plates.co.nz monopoly that's all.....

John McM

We may not always say it directly but we recognise the efforts Macca. I personally have no problem with a PCNZ track day fixture adding to the mix, albeit I hope the driving skill in the wider club, or lack of it, is sorted before they let people loose in their near new Turbo S. I don't see this competing with RSG, but rather complementing it. The fact that PCNZ is doing this is a compliment in itself to the RSG ethos.

Macca

Thanks John. I wasn't hunting accolades, just stating the background to my initial consternation . I'm not going to take a position on the PCNZ day, assuming it's passed Prestigio muster I'm sure RSGers can enjoy it with the comfort of coverage. It adds some variety to the mid winter calendar.

RSG has seen fit to ensure no conflict of dates with PCNZ during the June-Sept period each year since NITT 2013 when such an issue arose. at that time I took most of the heat on this. the communications situation has since then been informally handled via Paul and his position on both councils. It is thus mutually beneficial for RSG members who wish to enjoy PCNZ Speed Series events over this period to partake, and it helps make PCNZ events viable. However PCNZ it appears are now running a pure track day using the same organiser as RSG. This was the style of event that was missing from PCNZ repertoire since I joined in 2001 and infact much of the reason RSG was born. It's a free world and having choice is a good thing. It just came as a surprise to me...

I guess it's timely in that it reinforces the need for RSG to be more proactive in how it best should serve its members interests and who/m should resource these efforts. But that should be a point of discussion taken up on the RSG closed member board.

Any further discussion in this should probably happen offline. As you were :-)

Spokes

Macca, so these plates are NZ standard? Did you buy the plate holder? Great buy if so.

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RS ZWEI

Also demerit points and fine.

Moochier

I agree, however is this just natural competition? If RSG were offering something different then there is no issue, but if PCNZ see what RSG is doing is good and wants in, then RSG just needs to ensure ifs offering is strong.

Maybe RSG needs to do more events... The last one was 28 April and from what I can tell there isn't talk of another event until NITT... Is that too long between drinks.... And PCNZ is seemly taking up the slack? Maybe RSG should do a session on the same day as PCNZ to stamp there ground?

However all a bit political for me, I just want to be able to drive my car more often.

Macca

Steve. They are let's say unlikely to ever be questioned. They are made to at least the same standard as the NZ ones and are DIN/TUV certified IIRC. The font is NZ correct. I changed over to this font 5 months ago on the GT3 with its blue investment plates just to be on the safe side although the 993 still wears the German style plates its had for a decade. Never had an issue with those either.

Moochier

Much better John.

peterC2S

Thread started on RSG....

kiwi 911

Macca, at the risk of you unfriending me on Facebook, RSG does not own or did not create the 'Play Day format'.

The RSG was formed from Porsche owning people (most PCNZ members, and some not), who used to stare at each other at Play Days and decided it would be cool to all be in the same group at the next Play Day. We were spread across 3 different groups (Prestige, Fast and Slow) and figured between all of us, we could fill one 100% 'Porsche' group.

The idea for PCNZ to run a Play Day is mine. I am not doing this to copy RSG, as despite my position within PCNZ, I share your opinion that RSG has a different ethos, can afford to be less 'PC' and better cater to the needs of a group of good mates, and not to the 'masses'.

I am adopting the Play Day format as a trial for 1 event as PCNZ will not likely have enough entries to run a dual car sprint day this year as people cannot get track insurance for a timed event. People like you, Doug, JMc, Ron and Patsy, Nigel C (and me) will not put $100K+ cars at risk on the track, as several members have needed to call on track and Targa insurance for various events......(and a few have had significant repairs bills while not being covered and have no plans to do this again…..).

^^ The names mentioned above have all directly said this to me...............and I am probably guessing Chris T, Chris M, Pel, Warwick, Sam and Walt are in the same camp too (just off the top of my head).

So, given RSG members probably make up a third to half of the PCNZ grid every year and have told me they are not entering due to no insurance, I am left with 3 options:

1) Raise the fee to $600 - 800p/p and run a track day for about 10 - 12 people who will enter? Oh! - the only problem is the remaining people prepared to do sprints won't pay this as they are still complaining about the hike to a $250 entry fee from last year - so the dual car sprints day is a dead-duck......

2) No longer run sprint days as there is no demand. I don't think this is desirable, as the Club has been doing track days for 40 years and I wouldn't want to stop them on my 'watch' while there is a solution (Play Days) acceptable to members.

3) Change the days to a format where there is demand (............enter the Play Day............)


Macca - the PCNZ has to cut its cloth to meet demand. The market has spoken............and we have to 'copy' or 'follow' the RSG (and other clubs - we are NOT the only one, and almost the only exception) and do Play Day or Down Force run events.

I would consider running Down Force days, but not sure how much demand I will get when I need to charge you $400-500 each. You will quietly say “p*ss off – I can do a Play Day for half that"………..and we are back to square one…………

Macca, I think the RSG has moved on from sharing Play Days, the half day arrive and drive you started is where it's at now for the RSG. Also the NITT and SITT. I will NOT look to copy these events.

I am sorry if you see this as PCNZ (me) encroaching onto RSG turf, hopefully with the explanation above, you can grant this small over-lap (and not unfriend me )

kiwi 911

I am happy to run an RSG group(s) within the Play Day if you see driving skill as a risk.

kiwi 911

Edit - covered elsewhere............

Macca

Paul. Firstly. This is of insignificant magnitude to affect a friendship mate!

Thanks for taking the time to give some background and explain the situation leading up to this decision by yourself/PCNZ.

I understand the reasoning behind the decision, and believe you made the right decision regards format for PCNZ.

My single complaint here is that if I were you going through these machinations I think I would have been inclusive to RSG committee in order to see if RSG would get behind these dates to guarantee their success. Im sure they would have indeed complied. there are some very level headed committee members a few of who have been strongly linked with PCNZ for a number of decades and many who are PCNZ racers so I think the risk of backlash would have been zero. You are a committee member yourself so there is an onus to serve both masters. Not easy position I appreciate. As it stands it was a surprise to all to learn it first on here.

Anyway. Its all just small stuff really. Lets not flog a dead horse on this subject and just get on with having as much fun on track as we can...

P.S. I believe Peter has already started a thread over on the RSG board for a proposed RSG August 01 HD track date. Hopefully RSG members will participate/subscribe and make this a successful meet...

kiwi 911

^^^ hugs and kisses - Bubba.