GuyIncognito

I think it's partially that, partially great support from a few Porsche dealers, and partially the fact that there's just too damn many classes for 911s, so a lot of people don't see the point of yet another. at least that's the vibe I'm getting from this thread.

mehoff

my thoughts exactly....

Chris M.

DDun911

Given the total cost of racing a 996 for a season the cost of another set of tires is not what I would call a significant factor in my racing budget. Spec 996 on Hoosiers I would consider r1s are just not as much fun, definitely won't race them. I buy a set per race weekend and can get two races if needed with not a lot of drop . You just can't go back on the farm once you have seen Paris .

jrgordonsenior

Rant removed.... How do you delete an entire post. I can't find that option.....

KaiB

I don't know why you would say that, it's a spec class after all.

Driver skill, at the club race level, far (far) outweighs any small difference between a Ho R6 and a BFG R1. I've personally seen Bryan tear up the track on old R1s.

Veloce Raptor

hahaha! Have you ever actually...driven on R1's?

DDun911

Yes.
I drove them for a season of de. (In fact still a half used set in my garage)
Do they wear longer yes. But not drastically.
I get six days out of r6s was maybe 8 out r1
Can they be driven fast ? Sure but as fast as a set of r6 I don't think so. Notice you have not seen a migration of letter class racers to r1s

The question was asked why 996 spec has not taken off. Why can't the tire choice be one of the items on the table. For my self that was one of the factors.

mglobe

R6's are indisputably faster than R1's. Which is why you don't see R1's on letter class cars. Guys want to win. In a spec series, everyone is on the same tire, and so the absolute speed of the tire doesn't matter. That's why SpecBox runs Toyos. They are cheaper, last longer, and everyone has the same grip from their tire. Do you think SpecBox would be more popular if they ran on R6's? I sincerely doubt it.

KaiB

How on earth do you get six days out of R6s?

Veloce Raptor

Well, gosh, using that logic, I guess RA1's are a terrible choice for Spec Boxster, too, eh?

Drive slowly?

DDun911

Never said they were a terrible choice for 996 , just that there was another. I was not aware it was a sacred cow.
You sound like someone screaming witch because the suggestion was made that world may not be flat.

Spec boxster is a little different animal in that they tend to run with 944 and d class etc in most races they are the fast cars in the race group. 996s are running with faster cars and they are heavier than spec boxsters.

Veloce Raptor

Um...no.

And 996 also has a lot more motor than Boxster. So?

The fact is that a spec is a spec. Don't like it? Get it changed (like the Boxster folks did getting away from the R888's). Meanwhile, just as the RA1 is not a negative deterring folks from SPB, the R1 is not deterring folks from SP996...

DDun911

I could swear that is just what I was attempting to start a dialogue on.

As I can only speak for my self my original point was the R1 does deter me from running SP996.

Astroman

I have no dog in this fight. I don't race a 996 and don't plan to.

But for the sake of debate: there are two sp996 racers in this thread that (I think) concede that when sp996 becomes more popular and competitive, sticker tires each weekend will likely be the norm, not the exception. So I also wonder: why use an inferior tire that still only lasts one (good) weekend? If tire longevity in a spec class is the goal (and it's a reasonable goal), use the RA-1, not R-1.

I personally have not tried the BFG R-1. But the one (very experienced) person I know who has did not like them at all.