multi21

They have to or it would open them up to more scrutiny if they admit the penalty correlated to the crash. I'm 100% certain this goes on all the time, but you'd have to monitor 20 driver's data in real time to catch it all and no one cares if it's between P14 and P15 on lap 12. It just so happened that the cameras were on these 2 at the close of that race.

Look, at the end of the day, I'm just happy we're talking what happened on track and not a creepy text to a woman and a jaded lover is kicked out of the garage.

Matt Romanowski

I'm really curious with the Mercedes correlation problems. I'm sure the stories and what they say are only a part of it, but it's wild their simulation of the car is still so far off. https://racer.com/2024/03/28/mercede...k-performance/

Carlo_Carrera

Yes.

Carlo_Carrera

Toto is over his head. Toto is former racer, like Horner, but Horner/RedBull have Newey.

The foundation of the dominate Mercedes cars of the past decade was built by Ross Brawn, a former engineer, and his team of engineers. All those folks have moved on.

Matt Romanowski

Please. The team principal isn't in there designing the car, writing code, running simulations. Mercedes F1 is over 1,000 people. The simulation problem is deep in code that Toto has never seen.

sdg1871

this problem keeps rearing its head at Mercedes. Not good. Meanwhile Ferrari is getting better and better.

skl

I'm thinking Vasseur was a good hire for the red cars... I like him when he's interviewed though his English isn''t the greatest! I still miss the interviews with Seb- his command of English, and his sense of humour (not a real German trait) were over the top...

Carlo_Carrera

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1...y-do/10351168/

The team principal is the CEO. He makes the final call on the direction of the development of the car. Keeping all the departments, design, software, simulation, moving in the same direction. The Principal is all the one who ultimately hires and fires everyone.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/h...uilt-mercedes/

Matt Romanowski

And Newey is the only person to have previously worked with the ground effect cars. Horner must suck too if we go by that logic.

Nowanker

OUCH!

Carlo_Carrera

I addressed Horner's situation in my first post:

Since Horner and Newey joined RedBull Horner has wisely done everything possible in his power to keep Newey happy and working on RedBull race cars.

Contrast that with how Toto treated Brawn. When Mercedes acquired Brawn GP Toto had Brawn available as a senior technical advisor. Ross was by far one of the most competent F1 engineers in the sport, second only to Newey, and Brawn had also worked with ground effect cars. So what did Toto do? He got rid of Brawn but was fortunate to field the cars Brawn had developed.

Three years ago Toto had to supervise a completely new F1 car. So far it has not gone well. No Brawn, no success.

goin2drt

Matt Romanowski

With that logic, how do we not know if the championships are due to Paddy Lowe, Niki Lauda, James Vowles, or the most probable (and undeniable) Michael Schumacher.

And with Lee Stevenson leaving Red Bull, they are doomed. He's been there 18 years and obviously the reason they have been successful. Just look at Max's brake problem last week and it being Stevenson's last weekend. Conincedence?

And the answer is always Michael Schumacher.

goin2drt

@Matt Romanowski take Mark Twain's advice. You will not win.

Carlo_Carrera

Schumacher did play a role, as did Lauda bringing Lewis in, but the key was Ross Brawn. Just like Newey is the key to RedBull's success.

Stevenson leaving will no affect, if RedBull really needed him Horner would do what takes to get him to stay. As he has done with other important employees.