View Poll Results: Which passing rules are better?
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PCA passing rules
#241
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Matt D, on the other hand, should probably still be paying attention. Also, if you can start another thread about how grass is not a racing service I would be happy to add to that one.
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#243
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So we all seem to prefer (and hope for) the "gentlemanly" Scenario b in which a door is not slammed (and room is given), yet we understand that the rules are enforcing Scenario a in which a door could be "legally" slammed with no penalty for the "slammer" if contact is initiated. Assuming that we also agree that the rules should be consistent and non-contradicting, which one of these two sets of consistent rules would you prefer to race under?
(Scenario a):
1. The passing car has the responsibility to make a clean pass.
2. The car ahead at turn in has the corner.
OR
(Scenario b):
1. The car ahead at turn in does not own the corner.
2. Everyone must leave racing room.
Thx.
(Scenario a):
1. The passing car has the responsibility to make a clean pass.
2. The car ahead at turn in has the corner.
OR
(Scenario b):
1. The car ahead at turn in does not own the corner.
2. Everyone must leave racing room.
Thx.
My reasoning is that if I have been on the receiving end of two 13s because I've followed Scenario b instead of Scenario a, then I should just follow Scenario a at all times: When I'm ahead at turn-in, I go ("chop") for the apex, and when I am not, I back out and line up behind.
It doesn't matter that the rules are conflicting if in reality the stewards consistently enforce Scenario a at the expense of Scenario b. I just need a confirmation that this is, in fact, consistently the case. If this is not the case and they often invoke Scenario b ("leave room") to a follower of a Scenario a ("chop"), then I'm afraid the rules must be adjusted to pick one scenario and stick with it at all times.
Thx.
#244
I'll stay out of commenting on a given sanctioning body's specific rules, as I race and officiate with a different organization. But I have some general advice for any novice racer: How about you just keep your nose clean for a season or two?
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Thanks, and yes, that's a given. Still wouldn't hurt to know which rules are being enforced and what behavior is being expected and encouraged in each particular neck of the woods. I'm a rookie for PCA club racing but I've been racing and have "kept my nose clean" for ten years elsewhere.
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Thanks, and yes, that's a given. Still wouldn't hurt to know which rules are being enforced and what behavior is being expected and encouraged in each particular neck of the woods. I'm a rookie for PCA club racing but I've been racing and have "kept my nose clean" for ten years elsewhere.
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in...
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As I explained earlier, unless I know (very well) the person i'm passing entering a corner I take the safe move no matter what the rules say. I leave a lane if i'm the outside guy, I back out if i'm the inside guy and i'm not going to have overlap before turn in. But that's just me, I have been chopped and pinched many times... but my only rubbing was my 1st incident 10 years ago, after that all my damage was self inflicted.
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As I explained earlier, unless I know (very well) the person i'm passing entering a corner I take the safe move no matter what the rules say. I leave a lane if i'm the outside guy, I back out if i'm the inside guy and i'm not going to have overlap before turn in. But that's just me, I have been chopped and pinched many times... but my only rubbing was my 1st incident 10 years ago, after that all my damage was self inflicted.
#253
if you are attempting a pass, first and foremost, it's your responsibility to get it done safely. Ok? That's the deal. If you don't like that aspect, don't race PCA because the 13 rulings are subjective and greenshirts can catch you out - so be damn careful not to trade paint. that's the whole idea.
Two, If you are even or slightly ahead at turn in, congrats, you're 1/3 done w your epic move! Now you both need to turn in and SHARE the corner. you are not "denying the car next to you racing room" by turning in to the apex when you are even because they are occupying their piece of the track next to you....you can simply coexist...peacefully and happily.
If you fail to shed speed into the brake zone because you are off line and he/she cannot turn in without contact and must drive off, that's denying racing room aka "running him her off the road" haha on entry.
If you squeeze a car off mid corner instead of leaving him or her some space on the track, that's denying racing room.
If you open the wheel early on exit and run him or her off the road - that's denying racing room.
if you didn't turn for the apex, what you call denying racing room, you'd simply go straight and crash into them when they turned in.
Turning in to the apex when you are alongside another car is not a chop.....a chop is passing someone then moving over very quickly immediately in front of them... sometimes into a brake zone which is a ****ty thing to do.
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Originally Posted by hf1
Still wouldn't hurt to know which rules are being enforced and what behavior is being expected and encouraged in each particular neck of the woods.
If someone has to refer to the rule book to justify an overly aggressive move that went bad because they didn't leave themselves an exit, they are missing the basic spirit of Club Racing. Can you win races with that attitude in a competitive, equally matched class and still have fun - absolutely!
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No, I’m on the outside and being passed on the inside. I’m ahead at turn-in. I go for the apex by which I deny racing room to the inside passing car. Do I get a 13 if the inside car doesn’t pull out and there’s contact?
Well it is if I’m on the outside, ahead at turn-in, and going for the apex. The inside car will be “chopped” out of racing room.
Thx.
Turning in to the apex when you are alongside another car is not a chop...
Thx.