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Sarcasm noted...

Did I say get rid of the rule book? No, I did not. Just use your "common sense" and read and understand how to apply the rules that already exist. Then go out and drive like the guys who aren't hitting other cars.

Streak

I already do like most others. The problem is those that don't. There is no baseline for common sense.

I related this conversation elsewhere but I'll give you a brief synopsis if you haven't heard it. I had a face to face conversation at VIR with a driver in my class who flat out told me unequivocally that if he was ahead at turn in then that apex was his and I better get out of the way and if I try to go around the outside he's going to track out no matter who might be in his way.

Racing room was a term he was unfamiliar with.

Common sense is all well and fine until you're on track with that guy. That guy reads the rule one way. That guy has never read the third sentence of our rule. There aren't many of that guy but there are enough.

That particular guy is not in these videos but some other examples where I repeatedly had to back out or get hit. Common sense isn't terribly reliable.

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Streak,

Streak

Yes! Page 20!

And definitions are just words on paper. The assumption that everyone has common sense is where we run into difficulties.

ProCoach

Streak

By then it's too late. Someone's race is over, car damaged or possibly hurt.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a sentence in the rules that speaks to overlap and racing rooming in more specific detail so the wrong assumptions aren't made? You know, like every other amateur series currently racing in America today?

There will always be those that don't get it but there's no reason to make "getting it" more difficult than it needs to be.

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The character traits I mentioned, existed long before the words that described them did.

I didn't make the assumption that everyone had common sense. I'm saying be the driver who uses it.

I checked your videos. When you put yourself in a position to get mugged, you can't complain when guys steal from you.

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[QUOTE=Streak;14957496]By then it's too late. Someone's race is over, car damaged or possibly hurt.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a sentence in the rules that speaks to overlap and racing rooming in more specific detail so the wrong assumptions aren't made? You know, like every other amateur series currently racing in America today?

There will always be those that don't get it but there's no reason to make "getting it" more difficult than it needs to be.[/QUOTE

If graduates of the long DE and PCA training process don't get it, then the process does need fixing. However, based on the pole results, most guys DO get it and if I were to look for them on the track, I'll bet I'd find them up front.

Streak

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Agreed. 100% There are those that need to be told exactly what they can and can't do. That's all I'm saying.

Streak

I roll my eyes at you. Our rule sets up the mugging. That's the problem. Those are examples of a guy weaponizing the first sentence of our passing rule. If I hadn't backed out I'd have been hit. I had no reason to back out. I had clearly established position on him and he should have left room. And then the squeeze. Henderson even speaks to that very scenario (different race) in the current CR News. The guy on the outside (the chopper) had a whole bunch of room to the out side while I have none to the inside because an out of class car decided not to follow a race for position in class thru the corner. He didn't really need to be there. He could have easily taken us both coming out of T2. The guy on the outside dove for the apex. I backed out. Guy on the outside made contact with the out of class car. If you watch closely you'll see that the guy on the outside in the squeeze play isn't ahead at turn in. And note the line he takes when I didn't get along side him, before turn in he dives to take the inside line. Block much?

Each example is one where the guy on the outside should absolutely have left racing room. No question. Full stop. If you disagree then you are making my point about the ambiguity of the rule.

Every other amateur series addresses this in their rules. The bigger we get, and we are big, the more likely we have have more problems with rules interpretation.

And this isn't DE. I'm racing a guy in class for position. Am I supposed to wait for a point by?

Veloce Raptor

Hunt, I don't know if additional rules would properly address assswholes like in your videos, as much as a good solid assswhupping would...

jdistefa

Don't pull out. That's a phrase I live by.

Streak

Maybe that's what we do! If there's a grievance we have an area roped off to settle it mano a mano with a scute as a referee. However, at 5'6" I think most will have a reach advantage on me

Everything I want to say would put this thread on OT.

sbelles

I don't know. They really like probing things...

multi21

I thought you showed good judgement in backing out of that first video. There was nothing you were going to accomplish on turn 1 of lap 1 that would have resulted favorably -- and the car on your left doesn't know there's a car on your right so he thinks you have racing room.


In the second video, he's being aggressive and compromising his line.. I don't know if you were side by side if he'd turn in on you if you control the inside and delay your turn in to control his turn in.