Dr Chill

These idiotic remarks about Vette owners are just a sign of ignorance. Many of us who are active on multiple forums and clubs either own both or have owned both. I have tracked both and have hung with both groups at the track. By and large, they are all good people and can be generalized as just "car guys." For either brand there are owners, and there are enthusiasts. Most owners of any brand don't modify or track their cars.

Why anyone feels the need to belittle owners of non-Porsches is beyond me.

Canes78

Better thin skin than a thick head.

slc4s

"Corvette folks aren't necessarily automotive enthusiasts. And even many of the ones that are, are more Corvette enthusiasts than general car guys. Also they're quite aged, many want their wife to be able to drive, etc. Some are women who just want a convertible. For many, a Corvette is their first (and only) sportscar purchase, an achievement earned shortly after getting that AARP card."


YUP! this thread continues to deliver! Not even worth further comment.

Noah Fect

Not much choice, it won't get far under its own power.

TexasRider

You can do whatever you want - and think what ever you want - but it is utter nonsense to come up with GM is the worst car company and that kind of mess. They manufactured and sold something North of 8 Million units and have been as high as 10 million in a year. They know a thing or two to do that much work. Bet on it.

The C8 has been so called coming since the 1970s. So I guess thats a delay of sorts. Who cares if they moved the start back - a little like a 918, you are only getting yours when it's ready. I guess those are bad signs too huh.

Any time you see " Studies said this . ." or " I did my research on a forum . ." you know what it says - I have no real experience myself. I don't listen to that at a racetrack, the boardroom, or in any forum. Thats something like I did my research on a forum about lifting 500 lbs. Yeah ok now go to the gym and let's see how that goes vs the guys that are lifting 500 lbs.

Heck when I bought my 981S a guy sent me a list of stuff right here on RL about 3 pages long of things wrong with his and why Porsche was the worst car company yada yada. I already had many Porsche and car and motorcycle experiences . . so hand wringing ain't a thing for me.

I'm not here to change anybody's mind. The C8 is going to be a darn good car. That's as simple as it is.

Zcobra1

First year C7 had almost 50% manuals....they slipped away fast. Just less and less ordering manuals.

Shockwave

Zupra vs. C8. 🤔

TexasRider

I had high hopes for the Supra too ^^^ . That didn't pan out well. Toyota had a really good car in house in the Lexus . . and instead elected this BMW made car. I guess it suits somebody and hard core Jap buyers. For all the supposed iconic Supra love of before, and me having some Z cars in there too, I thought Toyota kind of just mopped up what was left that the Z didnt already get. I read something from a link here that mostly stated that idea too that the Supra was always a follow on car to appeal to what was hot.

But I think it is easy to see that Corvette did a much superior job in its new C8 release.

Maybe it shows how it easy it is to go down the wrong path, or at least a less good path, with a new car too. I'm not thinking there will be lots of Supras on the road - making them "unique" by some terms and terminology.

Shockwave

And with the mark up the Zupra is DOA in my humble opinion.

minthral

It's kinda ugly, but the specs are nice.

If I was Porsche I'd be sheetin some bricks. Why get a 911 or cayman when the C8 mid engine corvette can be had for 60k (probably 75k is more realistic after options?

Very different directions from GM and German brands. Porsche is about simple design, smaller more efficient hybrid power train. Corvette is about pushrod NA V8. Both now have dual clutch transmissions, but we'll see how reliable the new corvette will be. The old slow slushbox and no PDK (and crappy manual) was the main reason I turned down getting a geandsport and got a 911 instead.

Anyone with half a brain is be smart should wait a few years for the quirks to be fixed. Buying a completely new GM platform, electrics, and powertrain is not a good idea. Reliability will be horrible initially.

ace37

I was a bit baffled that they used the BMW motor for the Supra instead of taking the Lexus LC’s 5L V8 (and perhaps the hybrid V6). That would have made the car seem special, earned a cult following, and helped sell more Camrys and 86s. Take the LC platform down market or share the BMW platform, whatever makes more sense.

I’m curious to see what they do regarding the rumored smaller displacement boosted motors for the higher trim (Z06/ZR1) C8s.

K-A

Agree. That goes for the ungainly rear of the C8 as well, as I'd prefer a sexier, tapered rump rather than "2 golf bags."

Brake by wire is likely a huge mistake, especially for a sports car. Automakers have barely gotten steer by wire figured out yet. I had brake by wire in my W211 E Class and not only did it have horrible feel, but it's a massive safety hazard as the last thing you want malfunctioning are your brakes. M-B eventually went right back to an analogue brake for the facelift and beyond.

Be sure to invest in some strut tower braces under the car. Might help tie that 15K rigidity up a bit.

That 911 was clearly going several times faster than the Vette, to look like that Vette which especially back then, had (has?) the rigidity of a tin can.

Except you were wrong, and the 911 has been around for 56 years. And 56 rounds into 60. Sorry if the fundamentals of rounding don't align with your own narrative.

And my point in fact is not negated. 911's took the sports car crown from Vettes long ago, despite being around for less time. I don't know of one automaker who's "chased the Vette" in terms of how they design and position their sports cars. Every single one of them, however does the 911.

Let's see if the C8 will be outselling a 379 HP base 911 that costs 50% more once they've both been out for a few years.

(as a Porsche enthusiast, I hope it does. Nothing less alluring than seeing an inherently unique looking sports car everywhere).

Man, that BMW Supra is a fail. If I wanted a BMW, I'd get an M2/M3/M4. If I want a SUPRA, I want something built and designed by Toyota from the ground up. Just like I wouldn't want a Macan with a VW 4 pot (that ain't a Porsche "soul"), I wouldn't want a Supra not only built by BMW, but based on a mass production BMW.

K-A

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fast1

I learned something from watching the video: the ZR1 has 750 HP, (it actually has 755 HP but close enough), and that the C8 has better performance. I wonder how that conclusion was reached, since no one outside GM has tested the car and the only data they released was that a C8 has run a sub 3 sec 0-60, which hasn't yet been verified by anyone outside GM. For the ZR1 several reviewers have run a 2.9, 0-60, and I've come across one that claimed a a 2.85 0-60 and 6 sec 0-100. I also learned that "because they moved the engine from the front to the back, the new one has only 500 HP now." Hell, if moving the engine from the front to the back caused it to lose 250 HP, I'd say move the dam thing back to the front again. Anyway the girl in the video is cute and not pretentious, but the guy should do a little more reading before he speaks out.
Bottom line not a bad fluff piece, and until the C8 goes into production that's all we are going to get.

hf1

The Supra looks like it's less than 3/4 the C8 size. And I like its smooth curves better vs the C8's sharp edges overload.