neanicu

There's no real benefit if you go to the track to have fun,relax and get some adrenaline out. Just wave the PDK cars past you with a smile. I don't race,I drive at a pace that I can't drive on the street without worrying that some a-hole will cut me off and die or that I'll get arrested. If you go for a d**k measuring contest then Yes,the PDK will give you that " satisfaction ".
Engines rev...and they can perfectly rev with a manual too.(and I drove the 991 GT3 on the track-brilliant car/I'm not enough of a driver for that car-it makes me a hero/I just wouldn't own one)

2slow2speed

Guess you are one of those folks without a racing license who didn't get into shifter karts

The other half of the crowd can appreciate the benefits of PDK's

jphughan

911 GT3 target customer

Upcoming 911 GT target customer

GTgears

People keep calling the PDK an automatic transmission. That's really just not accurate IMO. It's an automatically clutching manual transmission. And sure, if you want it to be, it's an automatically shifting transmission. But shifting with flappy paddles versus shifting with a gearstick doesn't make the gearbox an automatic. It has no torque converter. It's clutched like a proper manual gearbox.

Tecce will tell you how much I used to bag on the PDK. Then one day he tossed me the keys to their shop mule and sent me on the BGB test circuit near the shop. What an eye opener. If I were ordering a Cayman today as a new car, you can bet it would be a PDK. And I live in the mountains and don't ever commute anywhere.

To each their own and I'm not judging anyone's personal preference, but I think it does the gearbox a disservice to call it an automatic.

neanicu

I believe we are keeping the conversation at a mature level and nobody is judging one's preference.
With that said,GTgears is correct,the PDK is not an automatic transmission in the sense of having a torque converter and a valve body that is controlling the oil pressure thus engaging certain gears,it is a double clutch manual transmission,but computer controlled that can perform 2 functions : it can shift the gears for you automatically if you let it,or you can tell the computer to send a command to the shift motors,which in turn will change the gear for you. Either way,you are not mechanically engaging and selecting your desired gear just like in a manual transmission. That mechanical process gives great pleasure to some and it's making us feel more involved in the process of driving,that's all...

drwuss

I was #2 deposit for gt4 (dealer has 3 allocations so I truly gave it up) and I turned my deposit over to GT4RS because of no PDK.

I will occasionally track the car and my skill set is not good enough for me to have fun with a manual. You can all call me a sissy but I am super competitive with other forms of racing that take most of my free time/energy/****s given so building up shifting skill is not an option I am going to take. I just want to go to drive my car fast without the fear of a money shift. So I will rock my PDK GTS for now.

I WILL BUY A PDK GT4/GT4RS IF I AM GIVEN THE OPTION, so I am one of the people you were asking about. I also do not wish for no manual, or have anything against them, I just don't have the time to get good enough (for my standards) with one.

2slow2speed

Good points, except I want a MR car and not a RR car like a GT3

Mvez

I just drove a friend's GT4 today, and the manual is sublime.....good god. It really might be the nicest manual I've ever driven. It's very mechanical like the 997 GT3, however, the position of the gear lever just seems higher and more ergonomic, so it adds even more feel to it somehow. I think the placement might be a big contributing factor.

To me it's all about preference. I respect the PDK, and for all out performance (and for some, it's pleasure), I can't deny it's the way to go. Being able to pull a paddle and bang, gear change, or downshift, bang, perfect downshift, every time is going to add up, a lot over the course of a track lap, or stint.

If I was a pro racing driver, I drive what is faster. For a club-race, DE, or daily, I would drive what I prefer, which is the manual.

Glad we still (barely) have that option. I can only pray they add a similar manual to the GT3 line.....

user1029

were you born with club feet or something

July1

On my previous car I had a race dog engament 6 gears strait cut box.. (380bhp Escort Cosworth) it was brilliant but with the quick shifter you always had to concentrate to engage the good gear it was so easy to put the 3rd instead of the 5th... Since that I really want to get a dual clutch sequential box...
But I can understand and I respect people to get satisfaction with a manual.. Everybody is different

I really doubt the GT4RS will come with anything else than a manual for development cost issue, and as this also keeps the track times apart enough to fulfill marketing issues.
Futur may prove me wrong, we'll see..

otisdog

sometimes your replies are somewhat funny, but this is just stupid.

drdonger

I guess you don't watch F1 racing, which is the purest form of motorsport out there. The reason why most car companies will and have switched to dual clutch manuals is because the performance is unparallel AND you can shift yourself and enjoy it to. Most people also prefer it and they sell more cars. Don't get me wrong, I love manuals but I can definitely see why PDK-S is so amazing. I can't imagine how hard a 991 GT3 would be to drive with a manual shifting at 9k. Stressing out about not over revving and would take the enjoyment out of the car for me. Manuals will not exist in high performance cars 5 years from now. They already don't exist in supercars. I know you love manuals but you seriously post about it in every other thread.

TRAKCAR

How about reversing a GT3 with a manual, can the rotisserie install work in the opposit directing?

RS 6 speed? A lot of parts missing beyond the 3rd pedal I suppose.

d00d

I haven't been a fan of the rear engine Porsche since after the 930, when they went to a wide rear without matching front flares, although the latest RS widens them somewhat.
I've been patiently waiting for them to either flip the engine into the proper position, as in the GT1, or bring the performance of the middle engine Cayman inline.
The GT4 ticks almost all of the boxes for me, and I'm number two on the list for the RS version, hoping that it's PDK.

neanicu

racing

Are you a racer? Do you support your family through racing? What's the last race you won?

I can't imagine how hard a 991 GT3 would be to drive with a manual shifting at 9k.

Not that hard,I bet.


Manuals will not exist in high performance cars 5 years from now.

That's fine.

I know you love manuals but you seriously post about it in every other thread.

Someone needs to keep the record straight.