718 GT4?
#8072
Its just the same as if it was any new model model car. That is that sales demand is always high for the first 6 months of production as there are only so many cars that any one dealer can get. If you want to be an early adopter you need to be high on the list. After that it there should be a minimal wait list and time.
Like when the Macan first came out, you will get one eventually, you just need to wait a bit.
#8073
Wouldn’t also assume that if there are non-particulate filter cars that Porsche would ‘allow’ these to sound any different - it would undermine the particulate fitted cars.
#8074
That would be great, but nothing so far has indicated that there will be two specs of car, market dependent, and one sounding better than the other.
Wouldn’t also assume that if there are non-particulate filter cars that Porsche would ‘allow’ these to sound any different - it would undermine the particulate fitted cars.
Wouldn’t also assume that if there are non-particulate filter cars that Porsche would ‘allow’ these to sound any different - it would undermine the particulate fitted cars.
#8075
The official time is 7.28 around the Nordshleife for the 718 GT4. That is around 12 seconds faster than the 981 GT4! The sum of all its small improvements adds up to quite large changes in lap times (more than just a tire or resurface). Nice overall improvement on the .1 car. The PDK (confirmed late 2020) will we be quicker again. Wait for the reviews to come in after the press release in Scotland.
You cannot underestimate the improved track surface as well as the new tires.
I'm sure that the new aero helps.... but you really need to put the 981 back on the Nordshleife with the same tires as the 718 in order to have a real "apples to apples" comparison.
As someone posted above, the increased horsepower only contributes to 3 seconds quicker.
#8076
The 718 Cayman GT4 has set a new fastest lap on the
Nordschleife at the Nürburgring. Its lap time of 7:28 minutes
on the legendary 20.6 km racetrack was 12 seconds quicker
than the time set by its predecessor, quicker even than the time
achieved by the Carrera GT supercar when it was launched.
Whereas the pure increase in power of the GT4 would have
resulted in an improvement of only around three seconds, the
overall package of aerodynamics, tyres and chassis-tuning made
it possible to better the previous time by 12 seconds.
Wow! There a big part of me that really wants to believe this slightly unfair comparison...
A lightweight spring-strut suspension, designed for extreme
loads, guides the front wheels with particularly fine precision
and provides the basis for highly agile steering response.
Spring struts are also used on the reinforced lightweight rear
axle. Here too, both the upside-down shock absorbers and the
longitudinal and transverse control arms are taken from the
GT3, as are the subframes. The same applies to the special ball
joints, which allow mounting of the chassis without play. The
rear axle’s wheel knuckles have a unique design and provide
additional stability.
Does anyone know if the 991.2 GT3 front axle was much different than the 991.1 GT3's? Just curious.
Nordschleife at the Nürburgring. Its lap time of 7:28 minutes
on the legendary 20.6 km racetrack was 12 seconds quicker
than the time set by its predecessor, quicker even than the time
achieved by the Carrera GT supercar when it was launched.
Whereas the pure increase in power of the GT4 would have
resulted in an improvement of only around three seconds, the
overall package of aerodynamics, tyres and chassis-tuning made
it possible to better the previous time by 12 seconds.
Wow! There a big part of me that really wants to believe this slightly unfair comparison...
A lightweight spring-strut suspension, designed for extreme
loads, guides the front wheels with particularly fine precision
and provides the basis for highly agile steering response.
Spring struts are also used on the reinforced lightweight rear
axle. Here too, both the upside-down shock absorbers and the
longitudinal and transverse control arms are taken from the
GT3, as are the subframes. The same applies to the special ball
joints, which allow mounting of the chassis without play. The
rear axle’s wheel knuckles have a unique design and provide
additional stability.
Does anyone know if the 991.2 GT3 front axle was much different than the 991.1 GT3's? Just curious.
#8077
Would love for a Porsche test pilot to take a shot in a C-GT on today's track with modern Cup 2s. I don't see why it wouldn't best a .2 GT3 at least.
#8078
#8079
So what are the actual chances PTS opens/is available? I feel like we've heard this song and dance before on other cars where PTS magically opened up later on in production, though I'm not sure if those cases started with "no pts expected".
#8080
I strongly disagree.
You cannot underestimate the improved track surface as well as the new tires.
I'm sure that the new aero helps.... but you really need to put the 981 back on the Nordshleife with the same tires as the 718 in order to have a real "apples to apples" comparison.
As someone posted above, the increased horsepower only contributes to 3 seconds quicker.
You cannot underestimate the improved track surface as well as the new tires.
I'm sure that the new aero helps.... but you really need to put the 981 back on the Nordshleife with the same tires as the 718 in order to have a real "apples to apples" comparison.
As someone posted above, the increased horsepower only contributes to 3 seconds quicker.
Here is a stock 981 GT4 did Nurburg in 7.30min back in 2015, tires would have been 1st generation N0 specs and on the old road surface.
#8081
Take this with a grain of salt, but my dealer on the east coast (that I have a deposit with) says PTS may likely open up before the end of the calendar year - likely before Miami Blue builds lock as those are showing first deliveries in May 2020.
#8082
Plus 1 here ^^
Here is a stock 981 GT4 did Nurburg in 7.30min back in 2015, tires would have been 1st generation N0 specs and on the old road surface.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvV6sz8s3ao
Here is a stock 981 GT4 did Nurburg in 7.30min back in 2015, tires would have been 1st generation N0 specs and on the old road surface.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvV6sz8s3ao
#8084
I strongly disagree.
You cannot underestimate the improved track surface as well as the new tires.
I'm sure that the new aero helps.... but you really need to put the 981 back on the Nordshleife with the same tires as the 718 in order to have a real "apples to apples" comparison.
As someone posted above, the increased horsepower only contributes to 3 seconds quicker.
You cannot underestimate the improved track surface as well as the new tires.
I'm sure that the new aero helps.... but you really need to put the 981 back on the Nordshleife with the same tires as the 718 in order to have a real "apples to apples" comparison.
As someone posted above, the increased horsepower only contributes to 3 seconds quicker.
There are many changes to the 718 GT4 that add up to incremental gains in lap times. Tyres and track included. That was my point!
Here are only a couple of changes to the 718 GT4
- engine changes include an of increase of 35 hp and changes to torque profile
- aero increased by 25% or so without changes in drag coefficient
- changes in chassis
- changes in gear ratios (not confirmed but hinted)
- and many more
What percentage is tyres and track is conjecture (51% or 78%), Not sure exactly how much of Nordshleife was resurfaced in that time and how much degradation of the new surface has taken place. Track temperature etc. We can also examine the changes between the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 which also produced a 12 second improvement in lap time.
Bottom line is the 718 GT4 is a faster car by 12 seconds than the 981 GT4 (great car). Progress is progress. Just wait for the reviews/full reveal and see what the experts say.