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Old 06-17-2019, 07:07 PM
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:08 PM
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Comments from AP throughout

Porsche has confirmed a nearly all-new naturally-aspirated 4.0-litre six-cylinder boxer engine will power both the upcoming Porsche Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder.

Due to be launched at the Goodwood Festival of Speed early next month, before arriving in Australia by the end of this year – when the Porsche Boxster Spyder should also be available here — the Porsche Cayman GT4 is effectively a road-going version of the race-ready Cayman GT4 Clubsport revealed in January.

However, the first road-going 718 Cayman and Boxster to be available with a six-cylinder engine rather than a turbocharged four-cylinder won’t be fitted with the Clubsport’s normally-aspirated 3.8-litre boxer six — or the 4.0-litre atmo six in the 911 GT3 RS.

“We found the sweet spot at the first run,” said the director of Porsche GT Road Cars, Andreas Preuninger, at a recent technical workshop for the new Cayman GT4 in Germany.

“It’s got a 4.0-litre naturally-aspirated flat-six. It’s got roughly the same outline as a [911] GT3 engine, so it’s 81.5mm stroke and 102mm bore. So it’s the same dimensions but it’s bit of a derivative of the turbo engine, what we call the 9A2,” said Preuninger.

Bespoke 4.0-litre flat-six

It might be derived from the 911 Carrera’s turbocharged engine, but the powertrain engineers admit the Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder engine is at least 80 per cent new.

There’s piezo injection, a dry sump and adaptive cylinder control, while the exhaust has the necessary petrol particulate filters to pass current and future emissions regulations.

There’s also an idle-stop system — the first in a Porsche GT car — requiring a larger starter and battery. Power is rated at 309kW at 7600rpm, peak torque of 420Nm is delivered between 5000 and 6800rpm, and Preuninger says “it spins to 8,000rpm”.

Simply slotting in a GT3 engine, which produces up to 383kW/470Nm in the RS, wasn’t feasible — not least because the race-focussed engine is expensive and difficult to manufacture, but because it would also have to be turned around for its mid-mounted location in the 718 platform.



De-tuning it isn’t the work of a moment either because, as Preuninger admits, the GT3 4.0-litre is an engine that needs all its power to work properly.



Preuninger said he could not deny hearing “the roar of the crowd” in favour of a flat-six in the latest Cayman GT4, and confirmed he was already looking in the direction of a normally-aspirated engine for the future — despite it flowing against the industry norm.

“We needed a different platform for the GT4 and we are quite happy that everybody in the industry is giving up on normally-aspirated engines,” he said.

This new 4.0-litre is the response. It is able to be built alongside the regular Carrera engines, meaning the GT4 and Spyder can run simultaneously alongside the GT department’s other models and, crucially, without limited production.

Stick shifted

The purists will be happy too, that Porsche has stuck with a manual transmission, fitted with selectable auto-blip should you want the electronics rather than your feet to rev-match downshifts.

“We stick to the stick shift. Which is part of the equation that works so well in the customer’s view,” said Preuninger.

“We think the package is quite about right for being the smaller brother of the GT3 with a little bit of a different positioning. The GT4 is a driver’s car. It welcomes any novice, but it satisfies all the purists, as well as the track guys.”

Even so, being a GT product, inevitably track times will be discussed. But Preuninger says it’s not a car that’s as singularly focussed on track driving as the GT3 might be, but still hugely capable.



The Porsche GT boss claims the Cayman GT4 will lap the Nurburgring at least 10 seconds quicker than its predecessor. That means it’s as fast as — if not faster than — the 991-series 911 GT3 around Germany’s most famous track.

“It is quicker than the predecessor; it’s about a second [quicker] to 200km/h from a standstill. Tt will be substantially quicker around the ‘Ring because of all the new electronics, all the new damper technology, the aero, the whole package, the steering, everything … so it comes together as one whole.

“You know from the generation that jumps in on the 911. We don’t change obviously so much and everybody gets out of the car and says ‘wow it’s a completely different car’. It’s similar here and you will really appreciate that when you drive it.”

The official numbers state a 0-100km/h time of 4.4 seconds and a top speed of 304km/h (188mph).

Aero gain

Aerodynamics inevitably play a significant role in achieving the faster lap time. Visually the Cayman GT4 looks little similar to its predecessor, the adjustable front splitter and rear wing having only minor detail changes rather than wholesale revisions.

Where it gains is underneath, with the addition of a large diffuser. For that GT4 owners can thank Spyder buyers, as it needed to achieve downforce without the old GT4’s fixed wing (the Spyder gets a pop-up wing).

“We had to look elsewhere for making the downforce, which is the under body. The Spyder needs it more badly than the GT4 because it was quite OK as it was. But we can always live a little bit more,” said Preuninger.

The result is a 50 per cent gain in downforce, which has been achieved without any penalty in drag. The aero changes in front of the front wheels help clean up the airflow down the side, and to vent pressure in the wheel wells.

Collectively, Preuninger says that gives the Cayman GT4 the type of downforce that “is GT3 bandwidth at the moment.”

GT3-derived suspension

That aero pushes down on suspension that’s derived from its rear-engine GT relation, too, with ball-jointed upper mounts and manually adjustable toe, camber and anti-roll bar settings should you want them at the track, plus a pair of modes selectable via a button in the cabin for the PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) dampers.

The sports chassis sits some 30mm lower than any regular 718 model’s, and both the GT4 and Spyder get the same chassis set-up.

Indeed, unlike the previous Boxster Spyder, the open-top car is a proper GT product “like an open GT4”, in a similar vein to the recent 911 Speedster — a car the GT boss and self-confessed convertible fan personally pushed for.

Tyre sizes remain the same as the previous GT4, so there’s Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 rubber measuring 245/35 ZR20 up front and 295/30 ZR20 at the rear, on newly designed lightweight alloy wheels.



The wheels retain five lug bolts rather than the centre-lock wheels of its GT3 relatives, in another concession to keeping the price as accessible as possible.

There’s the option of PCCB (Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes) if you’ve deeper pockets and want to reduce the unsprung mass slightly.

The climate control and infotainment system have been deleted and the options list contains to ability to remove more mass via the addition of lightweight carbon-fibre bucket seats.

A Clubsport package — with the usual half cage, fire extinguisher, race harnesses and ignition kill switch — will be offered optionally too, depending on the market.

Ratios remain, weight gain…

If its predecessor was criticised in one area it was usually the gear ratios, which remain unchanged. Preuninger explained that the long ratios are necessary to allow it to pass global emissions standards.



Overall, weight has increased to 1420kg, but Preuninger is quick to point out changes in the way homologation vehicle weights are legally measured.

Cars must now be homologated without any weight-saving options ticked, so “this car nominally is about 60 or 80 kilos heavier on paper, but it’s only about 30 kilos heavier in real world if you compare apples to apples,” said Preuninger.

Regulations also take their toll here, with the Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder now featuring necessary, and weighty, technologies to pass stricter emissions regulations.

“I can absolutely assure you it doesn’t feel half gram heavier than the car before,” promises Preuninger.

Old 06-17-2019, 07:16 PM
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"the 718 Cayman GT4 and 718 Spyder accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds."

Isn't that exactly the same as the 981? wtf
Old 06-17-2019, 07:18 PM
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Big jump on the price... wow
Old 06-17-2019, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Knutsm01
Big jump on the price... wow
Yep they factored in the ADM
Old 06-17-2019, 07:30 PM
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So now that the car is announced, and no PDK was mentioned at all, this means there will be no PDK at all? Not even later on? They would have mentioned if there was a PDK versión coming later right?

I wonder what picture with the PDK paddles is all about.
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Did AP said Dry Sump?????
Old 06-17-2019, 07:32 PM
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They have to be putting this engine in other cars besides just the GT4 and Spyder. They will need to spread the r&d costs.
Old 06-17-2019, 07:32 PM
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Don't know but they did say Idle Shut Off!!!
Old 06-17-2019, 07:33 PM
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More $, more weight, bigger battery for auto stop/start, new injectors for for reduced emissions, and cylinder deactivation. More hp but same torque and crap 0-60 means same transmission and gears. 981 FTW.

Looks like a speedster style pair of gpfs and center exhaust....
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This motortrend article mentions PDK will come at a later date but I don't see any source:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...-photos-specs/

I'm also in the PDK camp and was really hoping they'd mention it becoming available at a later date.
Old 06-17-2019, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris3963
Comments from AP throughout

Porsche has confirmed a nearly all-new naturally-aspirated 4.0-litre six-cylinder boxer engine will power both the upcoming Porsche Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder.

Due to be launched at the Goodwood Festival of Speed early next month, before arriving in Australia by the end of this year – when the Porsche Boxster Spyder should also be available here — the Porsche Cayman GT4 is effectively a road-going version of the race-ready Cayman GT4 Clubsport revealed in January.

However, the first road-going 718 Cayman and Boxster to be available with a six-cylinder engine rather than a turbocharged four-cylinder won’t be fitted with the Clubsport’s normally-aspirated 3.8-litre boxer six — or the 4.0-litre atmo six in the 911 GT3 RS.

“We found the sweet spot at the first run,” said the director of Porsche GT Road Cars, Andreas Preuninger, at a recent technical workshop for the new Cayman GT4 in Germany.

“It’s got a 4.0-litre naturally-aspirated flat-six. It’s got roughly the same outline as a [911] GT3 engine, so it’s 81.5mm stroke and 102mm bore. So it’s the same dimensions but it’s bit of a derivative of the turbo engine, what we call the 9A2,” said Preuninger.



Ho Hum...

Bespoke 4.0-litre flat-six

It might be derived from the 911 Carrera’s turbocharged engine, but the powertrain engineers admit the Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder engine is at least 80 per cent new.

There’s piezo injection, a dry sump and adaptive cylinder control, while the exhaust has the necessary petrol particulate filters to pass current and future emissions regulations.

There’s also an idle-stop system — the first in a Porsche GT car — requiring a larger starter and battery. Power is rated at 309kW at 7600rpm, peak torque of 420Nm is delivered between 5000 and 6800rpm, and Preuninger says “it spins to 8,000rpm”.

Simply slotting in a GT3 engine, which produces up to 383kW/470Nm in the RS, wasn’t feasible — not least because the race-focussed engine is expensive and difficult to manufacture, but because it would also have to be turned around for its mid-mounted location in the 718 platform.



De-tuning it isn’t the work of a moment either because, as Preuninger admits, the GT3 4.0-litre is an engine that needs all its power to work properly.



Preuninger said he could not deny hearing “the roar of the crowd” in favour of a flat-six in the latest Cayman GT4, and confirmed he was already looking in the direction of a normally-aspirated engine for the future — despite it flowing against the industry norm.

“We needed a different platform for the GT4 and we are quite happy that everybody in the industry is giving up on normally-aspirated engines,” he said.

This new 4.0-litre is the response. It is able to be built alongside the regular Carrera engines, meaning the GT4 and Spyder can run simultaneously alongside the GT department’s other models and, crucially, without limited production.

Stick shifted

The purists will be happy too, that Porsche has stuck with a manual transmission, fitted with selectable auto-blip should you want the electronics rather than your feet to rev-match downshifts.

“We stick to the stick shift. Which is part of the equation that works so well in the customer’s view,” said Preuninger.

“We think the package is quite about right for being the smaller brother of the GT3 with a little bit of a different positioning. The GT4 is a driver’s car. It welcomes any novice, but it satisfies all the purists, as well as the track guys.”

Even so, being a GT product, inevitably track times will be discussed. But Preuninger says it’s not a car that’s as singularly focussed on track driving as the GT3 might be, but still hugely capable.



The Porsche GT boss claims the Cayman GT4 will lap the Nurburgring at least 10 seconds quicker than its predecessor. That means it’s as fast as — if not faster than — the 991-series 911 GT3 around Germany’s most famous track.

“It is quicker than the predecessor; it’s about a second [quicker] to 200km/h from a standstill. Tt will be substantially quicker around the ‘Ring because of all the new electronics, all the new damper technology, the aero, the whole package, the steering, everything … so it comes together as one whole.

“You know from the generation that jumps in on the 911. We don’t change obviously so much and everybody gets out of the car and says ‘wow it’s a completely different car’. It’s similar here and you will really appreciate that when you drive it.”

The official numbers state a 0-100km/h time of 4.4 seconds and a top speed of 304km/h (188mph).

Aero gain

Aerodynamics inevitably play a significant role in achieving the faster lap time. Visually the Cayman GT4 looks little similar to its predecessor, the adjustable front splitter and rear wing having only minor detail changes rather than wholesale revisions.

Where it gains is underneath, with the addition of a large diffuser. For that GT4 owners can thank Spyder buyers, as it needed to achieve downforce without the old GT4’s fixed wing (the Spyder gets a pop-up wing).

“We had to look elsewhere for making the downforce, which is the under body. The Spyder needs it more badly than the GT4 because it was quite OK as it was. But we can always live a little bit more,” said Preuninger.

The result is a 50 per cent gain in downforce, which has been achieved without any penalty in drag. The aero changes in front of the front wheels help clean up the airflow down the side, and to vent pressure in the wheel wells.

Collectively, Preuninger says that gives the Cayman GT4 the type of downforce that “is GT3 bandwidth at the moment.”

GT3-derived suspension

That aero pushes down on suspension that’s derived from its rear-engine GT relation, too, with ball-jointed upper mounts and manually adjustable toe, camber and anti-roll bar settings should you want them at the track, plus a pair of modes selectable via a button in the cabin for the PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) dampers.

The sports chassis sits some 30mm lower than any regular 718 model’s, and both the GT4 and Spyder get the same chassis set-up.

Indeed, unlike the previous Boxster Spyder, the open-top car is a proper GT product “like an open GT4”, in a similar vein to the recent 911 Speedster — a car the GT boss and self-confessed convertible fan personally pushed for.

Tyre sizes remain the same as the previous GT4, so there’s Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 rubber measuring 245/35 ZR20 up front and 295/30 ZR20 at the rear, on newly designed lightweight alloy wheels.



The wheels retain five lug bolts rather than the centre-lock wheels of its GT3 relatives, in another concession to keeping the price as accessible as possible.

There’s the option of PCCB (Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes) if you’ve deeper pockets and want to reduce the unsprung mass slightly.

The climate control and infotainment system have been deleted and the options list contains to ability to remove more mass via the addition of lightweight carbon-fibre bucket seats.

A Clubsport package — with the usual half cage, fire extinguisher, race harnesses and ignition kill switch — will be offered optionally too, depending on the market.

Ratios remain, weight gain…

If its predecessor was criticised in one area it was usually the gear ratios, which remain unchanged. Preuninger explained that the long ratios are necessary to allow it to pass global emissions standards.



Overall, weight has increased to 1420kg, but Preuninger is quick to point out changes in the way homologation vehicle weights are legally measured.

Cars must now be homologated without any weight-saving options ticked, so “this car nominally is about 60 or 80 kilos heavier on paper, but it’s only about 30 kilos heavier in real world if you compare apples to apples,” said Preuninger.

Regulations also take their toll here, with the Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder now featuring necessary, and weighty, technologies to pass stricter emissions regulations.

“I can absolutely assure you it doesn’t feel half gram heavier than the car before,” promises Preuninger.



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Old 06-17-2019, 07:35 PM
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Sooooo happy this came out...will keep my current GT4...most likely they will produce more of these making ours more limited and desirable down the line.
The engine isnt that big of a deal...the look is ruined. Good thing out GT4's look the works
Old 06-17-2019, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blipit
They have to be putting this engine in other cars besides just the GT4 and Spyder. They will need to spread the r&d costs.
I am guessing that the 2020/2021 new Carrera T will get this NA 4.0 420HP engine
Old 06-17-2019, 07:38 PM
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Has anyone been contacted by their dealer about allocations?


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