718 GT4?
07-10-2019, 09:48 PM
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Probably, maybe? We may never know on this track. How much is tyres? A chassis is also tuned around its tyres. Many factors working together. History records 7.40 vs 7.28. When the 718 GT4 owners take possession of their cars we will see the changes in the real world at track days vs 981 GT4s. Now that will be interesting.
07-10-2019, 09:59 PM
#8087
Fly by after fly by in this video of 718 GT4's. Probably some B roll footage from the press launch this week and not one spine tingling, rip roaring exhaust note amongst them 
At least the Miami blue is a looker... but I tend to like loud colours on GT cars.
At least the Miami blue is a looker... but I tend to like loud colours on GT cars.
07-10-2019, 10:02 PM
#8088
I asked and the response was I'd have to wait a very long time.
07-10-2019, 10:07 PM
#8089
That would be great, but nothing so far has indicated that there will be two specs of car, market dependent, and one sounding better than the other.
Wouldn’t also assume that if there are non-particulate filter cars that Porsche would ‘allow’ these to sound any different - it would undermine the particulate fitted cars.
Wouldn’t also assume that if there are non-particulate filter cars that Porsche would ‘allow’ these to sound any different - it would undermine the particulate fitted cars.
07-10-2019, 10:16 PM
#8090
A partial new track surface will only yield faster times when it is bedded in and this takes time - the amount being dependent on many parameters including weather, usage and ashphalt mix.
Changes to straights do not make a large difference generally. Corners resurfaced can make an improvement however this can be reduced and in fact made worse by the transition to the old surface due to different levels of grip.
The dry grip levels between the MPSC2 N0 thru N2 are minimal at best - I have done many logged runs on N0 and N1 and would be hard pressed to tell the difference in the dry - likewise N2 on my RS which so far feel no different to N1 and still remain sketchy in the wet like N1. The N1 and N2 are clearly able to shed water better than the N0 - and it is this difference that is most significant between the tires.
Its abundantly clear the new engine is much stronger up top with increased torque and power here - 35HP is a good chunk with a warranty.
The aero package also looks very strong particularly the rear diffuser. The unit in the GT4 is much larger and deeper than the unit on my RS. Thus must contribute significant down force without adding drag.
Its hard to know what to make of the suspension package at this stage as figures aren't available - however the addition of more rose jointing will give the car a much more focussed feel and certainly remove any extraneous slop.
Looks like a great package to me and I'm pretty sure you can bank that time difference.
I suspect the car will get great reviews particularly if looked at through the lens of a genuinely track able road car built by the GT team with improvements made across the board.
Changes to straights do not make a large difference generally. Corners resurfaced can make an improvement however this can be reduced and in fact made worse by the transition to the old surface due to different levels of grip.
The dry grip levels between the MPSC2 N0 thru N2 are minimal at best - I have done many logged runs on N0 and N1 and would be hard pressed to tell the difference in the dry - likewise N2 on my RS which so far feel no different to N1 and still remain sketchy in the wet like N1. The N1 and N2 are clearly able to shed water better than the N0 - and it is this difference that is most significant between the tires.
Its abundantly clear the new engine is much stronger up top with increased torque and power here - 35HP is a good chunk with a warranty.
The aero package also looks very strong particularly the rear diffuser. The unit in the GT4 is much larger and deeper than the unit on my RS. Thus must contribute significant down force without adding drag.
Its hard to know what to make of the suspension package at this stage as figures aren't available - however the addition of more rose jointing will give the car a much more focussed feel and certainly remove any extraneous slop.
Looks like a great package to me and I'm pretty sure you can bank that time difference.
I suspect the car will get great reviews particularly if looked at through the lens of a genuinely track able road car built by the GT team with improvements made across the board.
07-10-2019, 10:27 PM
#8091
Probably, maybe? We may never know on this track. How much is tyres? A chassis is also tuned around its tyres. Many factors working together. History records 7.40 vs 7.28. When the 718 GT4 owners take possession of their cars we will see the changes in the real world at track days vs 981 GT4s. Now that will be interesting.
A partial new track surface will only yield faster times when it is bedded in and this takes time - the amount being dependent on many parameters including weather, usage and ashphalt mix.
Changes to straights do not make a large difference generally. Corners resurfaced can make an improvement however this can be reduced and in fact made worse by the transition to the old surface due to different levels of grip.
The dry grip levels between the MPSC2 N0 thru N2 are minimal at best - I have done many logged runs on N0 and N1 and would be hard pressed to tell the difference in the dry - likewise N2 on my RS which so far feel no different to N1 and still remain sketchy in the wet like N1. The N1 and N2 are clearly able to shed water better than the N0 - and it is this difference that is most significant between the tires.
Its abundantly clear the new engine is much stronger up top with increased torque and power here - 35HP is a good chunk with a warranty.
The aero package also looks very strong particularly the rear diffuser. The unit in the GT4 is much larger and deeper than the unit on my RS. Thus must contribute significant down force without adding drag.
Its hard to know what to make of the suspension package at this stage as figures aren't available - however the addition of more rose jointing will give the car a much more focussed feel and certainly remove any extraneous slop.
Looks like a great package to me and I'm pretty sure you can bank that time difference.
I suspect the car will get great reviews particularly if looked through the lens of a genuinely track able road car built by the GT team with improvements made across the board.
Changes to straights do not make a large difference generally. Corners resurfaced can make an improvement however this can be reduced and in fact made worse by the transition to the old surface due to different levels of grip.
The dry grip levels between the MPSC2 N0 thru N2 are minimal at best - I have done many logged runs on N0 and N1 and would be hard pressed to tell the difference in the dry - likewise N2 on my RS which so far feel no different to N1 and still remain sketchy in the wet like N1. The N1 and N2 are clearly able to shed water better than the N0 - and it is this difference that is most significant between the tires.
Its abundantly clear the new engine is much stronger up top with increased torque and power here - 35HP is a good chunk with a warranty.
The aero package also looks very strong particularly the rear diffuser. The unit in the GT4 is much larger and deeper than the unit on my RS. Thus must contribute significant down force without adding drag.
Its hard to know what to make of the suspension package at this stage as figures aren't available - however the addition of more rose jointing will give the car a much more focussed feel and certainly remove any extraneous slop.
Looks like a great package to me and I'm pretty sure you can bank that time difference.
I suspect the car will get great reviews particularly if looked through the lens of a genuinely track able road car built by the GT team with improvements made across the board.
We are talking about NBR times and NOT on some shorter different track on a different car (RS in your case). Apples to apples please.
07-10-2019, 10:38 PM
#8092
Im starting to think that there are 1 or 2 posters here that are so over the top with their praise of the 718 on the Nordschleife that I get the distinct feeling that they work in Porsche's marketing department.
07-10-2019, 10:40 PM
#8093
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07-10-2019, 10:47 PM
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07-10-2019, 11:02 PM
#8095
Porsche have plenty of choice on offer from the GT dept - Spyder, Speedster, GT4, GT3, GT3 Touring, GT3 RS, GT2 RS. There is absolutely nothing stopping 981 GT4 owners moving into one of these models if they feel the need for more performance.
The simple reality is the 718 GT4 offers plenty of performance to those that know and or want to learn how to extract it.
A car car that rips round the ring in 7:28 is very quick. An improvement of close to 2s per minute achieved in typical GT department fashion through wholesale yet incremental change. The resultant being greater than the sum of the parts. That is a big improvement in anyone's language and it comes with a warranty 😀
07-10-2019, 11:12 PM
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07-10-2019, 11:34 PM
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07-10-2019, 11:45 PM
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I get the feeling there are some on here that have done a lot of track time and can appreciate the improvements. There will be plenty of independent track tests to confirm this. It's always this way with a Porsche new model. So much so it's almost a law of nature 😀
Porsche have plenty of choice on offer from the GT dept - Spyder, Speedster, GT4, GT3, GT3 Touring, GT3 RS, GT2 RS. There is absolutely nothing stopping 981 GT4 owners moving into one of these models if they feel the need for more performance.
The simple reality is the 718 GT4 offers plenty of performance to those that know and or want to learn how to extract it.
A car car that rips round the ring in 7:28 is very quick. An improvement of close to 2s per minute achieved in typical GT department fashion through wholesale yet incremental change. The resultant being greater than the sum of the parts. That is a big improvement in anyone's language and it comes with a warranty 😀
Porsche have plenty of choice on offer from the GT dept - Spyder, Speedster, GT4, GT3, GT3 Touring, GT3 RS, GT2 RS. There is absolutely nothing stopping 981 GT4 owners moving into one of these models if they feel the need for more performance.
The simple reality is the 718 GT4 offers plenty of performance to those that know and or want to learn how to extract it.
A car car that rips round the ring in 7:28 is very quick. An improvement of close to 2s per minute achieved in typical GT department fashion through wholesale yet incremental change. The resultant being greater than the sum of the parts. That is a big improvement in anyone's language and it comes with a warranty 😀
07-11-2019, 12:18 AM
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The Ring didn’t just get fresh pavement - some of the treacherous sections were totally re-profiled to remove bumps and other hazards. It was faster from day one this season (doesn’t take long to put rubber down when there are many hundreds of cars lapping over the day...). And the German road construction is not comparable to US - it’s a much higher standard.
07-11-2019, 02:29 AM
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The Ring didn’t just get fresh pavement - some of the treacherous sections were totally re-profiled to remove bumps and other hazards. It was faster from day one this season (doesn’t take long to put rubber down when there are many hundreds of cars lapping over the day...). And the German road construction is not comparable to US - it’s a much higher standard.
- basically three small sections. Obviously there are continuous maintenance programs and the like along with ongoing movement and improvement of barriers. Likewise other sections can become worn and lose grip/ surface stability etc. and I believe there was a very significant difference between the 718 and 981 down the Dottinger Hohe
I really don't see much of a conspiracy
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