skiahh

I think you're misreading the Repair option. You're not going to get $11K for your 2013. The range of payments there are inclusive of the $3700 base. But they don't include the $1500 from Bosch. So, if there's a fix, you'll get somewhere in the $8229 to $8620 range, plus $1500 from Bosch. You'll get half of the $8229-8620 up front, so somewhere in the $4200-4300 range, plus the $1500 from Bosch.

And yes, you'll have to share with the original owner, if they register by the deadline.

And if they wind up having to do a buyback/restitution, then the range you listed is correct, but not based on MSRP, so that doesn't have anything to do with it. It's based on the value of your vehicle as of 9/1/2015 and uses both Clean Trade and Clean Retail values, plus options and mileage adjustments. And you could keep that cash and take the modified fix or sell it back or trade it in for something new, based on the full amount. But I wouldn't hold my breath on getting 20 grand.

Expecting nothing, I think, is the best approach, because then everything is a bonus!

bella1

So let me get this straight as I think I understand the 54 page document I received from VW. I do plan on having the dealership do the required work if timely available.

1) $8,229 to $8,629 2013 Cayenne Owner Repair Payment
2) $1,500 Bosch Payment
3) $9,633 to $10,236 2015 Cayenne Owner Repair Payment
4) $1,500 Bosch Payment

So I will get approximately $21,500 back after compliant repair. My 2013 has a CPO on the CPO to 8 Years (2020) and 125,000 miles (currently 75,000 miles) and my 2015 has a CPO to 6 years 2012 and 100,000 miles (currently 15,000 miles)

I think this is awesome. And I believe the price for these now compliant excellent diesel vehicles will hold steady. After all, the CPO is transferrable to any new owner. I am hanging on to mine for sure.

2013 Porsche Cayenne $8,229 - $8,629
2015 Porsche Cayenne $9,633 - $10,236

gnat

Ah. Had no idea there was already a fix. I guess this is only for the 2.0s that already had Urea systems?

If that's the case then it definitely gives some hope that the 3.0 fix will be similarly un-impacting.

bella1

I am sure this was posted previously but it is news to me

Surprise! VW diesel owners will get cash from Bosch too

Its role in Volkswagen's emissions-cheating efforts still obscured, Bosch will nevertheless devote $163.3 million of the total amount to compensating 2.0-liter TDI owners, and $113.3 million compensating 3.0-liter diesel owners. Under the settlement, most 2.0-liter owners can expect to receive $350 each, while 3.0-liter owners will receive about $1,500.


http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diese...tion-bosch-too

skiahh

Nice... whoda thunk buying 2 cars would be so "profitable"? lol

Yep. Not a surprise; we've been taking about it for a few pages of this thread now. It's on top of the Repair (or Restitution) amounts in the settlement docs, too.

skiahh

Hmmm... can't delete messages. Weird.

User 52121

Yep - exactly my point/hope.

Wow not bad at all! I'd say you lucked out there, really...

nkycayenne

skiahh - I just went back and re-read both the Payment Ranges and exihibit 1A_B Explanation of benefits ... I think you are correct.

So - for my 2013, my worst case is half of the $8200 if I accept a 'Compliant Repair' that is available 'timely'. It only gets better - way better - if they miss 'timely' ... or if no former owner registers on mine.

BTW - I agree the MSRP is not in the formula ... however ... options do affect the numbers for the settlement in buy back or non-compliant repair settlement ... because it is options that also affect MSRP, I use it only as a speculative correlation - not as part of a formula.

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MJG911

Nice! I feel a little bad about screwing the new owner, but not bad enough not to register it. I should get I think 1000 for the 2013 lease we completed, plus the 2015 payout for the current one we own.

stronbl

Yea, while there were some folks who thought the fix degraded their vehicles, most seem to think it was equal or even a little better (smoother engine, MPG good). But it is still early in the fix game and I'd wager the one's who have it fixed already were enthusiasts who all along preferred to keep their vehicles so there may be a potential for bias in the early reporting and discussion. These are the Gen 3 2.0L cars with the urea system (which if I understand their system, they are more analogous to our Gen 2.1 3.0L case) and only part 1 of 2 part fix was done i.e. the software part was completed. It will be quite interesting to see the full story unfold (hardware fix too). Nevertheless, we should get meaningful data. And along with the WVU work on before and after comparison (not available to the 2.0L case that I know of), we should really have good and pertinent information to assess post fix if we have a winner or a whiner.

Spyerx

I'm of the same mind. I have 42k on my 2013 that has CPO/warranty until 2021 / 125k miles!!!

Going to drive it into the ground.

This is by far my favorite daily driver. I wish I could get another new one.

gnat

I thought we were still looking at the Gen 2.1s only needing a software fix while the Gen 2.0 needs some hardware to be brought up to the 2.1 level (and then needs the software).

That would kinda be a kick in the nuts if you are hearing these good reports, opt in, and then the stage 2 hardware degrades things back to (or worse) than it was before after getting you used to a better performing car...

visitador

^^^ 2.1 ours and 2.2 face lifted, no? It is my understanding that we got the hardware of the 2.2 and both 2.1 and 2.2 get "fixed" software. In essence all CDs have the same horses and torque now, pre and post mid cycle refresh

stronbl

It's hard to keep track of all the variations in nomenclature - that's is for certain! The 3.0L Gen 2 is divided into two classes for the SUVs: 2.1 and 2.2. The Cayenne of 2013 and 2014 are 2.1. These 3.0L Gen 2 class 2.1 Cayennes will require software and hardware fixes to become emissions compliant. These vehicles are notionally analogous to the Gen 3 2.0L vehicles which are currently under going emission modifications with one key difference being the SUV's have a lot more under carriage room to effect the hardware emission modifications than the Gen 3 2.0L vehicles (2.0L and 3.0L engines of course are different and ECU and other engine controls differ as well, but software can remedy that to a degree). In short, it is a held belief the 3.0L Gen 2 class 2.1 vehicles can be quickly brought into compliance - but still require software and hardware modification to do so. VAG has made a representation to the court that the emission compliant repair will not reduce performance (btw, this representation is in my view what allowed VAG to not have to go the buy back route for all 3.0L Gen 2 vehicles, i.e. they get an opportunity to fix them) - we'll see if that representation is correct. The greatest possibility for reduced performance is with the software. In the Gen 3 2.0L case, the new catalytic converters may result is a slight reduction in performance due to the more compact space - hence a smaller catalytic converter more tightly packed and reduced throughput. In the 3.0L Gen 2 class 2.1 case, prevailing thought is since there is ample room for the new piping, the new catalytic converter will not result in reduced throughput and thus no performance reduction from the hardware part of the fix, essentially duplicating the emissions piping of the 3.0L Gen 2 class 2.2 vehicles. Of course this is all speculation now, proof comes later, but initial optimism exists ...

gnat

Duh! You're right stronbl. I was forgetting about the earlier 3.0s (the ones getting bought back) which are the Gen 2.0, 13-14 P!gs are 2.1, and 15-16 being the 2.2.

God this is all a mess to keep straight