Wonderdan

Is it me or is there a heck of a lot more volume this year than there was last year, you guys should feel lucky there are options! The only downside of having options when I bought my first one was that I over analyzed it and lost a really good car over a $5k debate.

lawrence1

Sorry chief, I call'em like i see them. Just so you know, i really couldn't care less what you buy, sell, keep, trade, etc. What you do with your time, money and cars is your business. I'm only pointing out what i observed, and noted it fits the profile of the typical fake "enthusiast" that comes on these forums to find a car, gets a car (often with the help of other members), then flips the car shortly after for various reasons. In some cases, it's rinse and repeat while trying to maintain the "enthusiast" veneer.

Specific to the 997 turbo in question, I only know about it since I was starting to look at 997 turbos and noticed the quick flip. Whether you made money or lost money is irrelevant. Someone posted that car in the 997 turbo forum (which looked like a nice example) and you jumped on it immediately. 2 weeks later (of which i assume 1 week minimum was transit time) it was flipped to san francisco sports cars who then flipped it on pcarmarket for $145K. then you posted another WTB ad for a 997 turbo. At the same time you apparently also jumped on a 991.2 gt3 that was posted in the 991.2 gt3 forum, only to turn around and sell it shortly after here in the classifieds. Now it's the same song and dance in this forum.

Before you get defensive, the reasons for the above aren't really relevant, nor do you owe anyone an explanation. These are simply factual observations.

mnawa

you spend quite a bit of time observing my activity for someone who couldn’t care less. Enjoy the holidays!

lawrence1

if you're referring to the low mileage atlas car ... that is likely the most abused 997 GT3 i've ever seen (i went to see it in person as i was going to buy it). simply beat to ****, good interior, exterior was trashed all over, mechanically a basket case. I even went and spoke to the shop that had worked on it and the owner told me right away that the car was the worst he's ever seen (those guys build and service track & race cars day in and day out). That's why that car sat for so long.

lawrence1

Don't give yourself too much credit - there are 4 forums I follow on Rennlist and you were in 3 of them. Don't need to be Einstein's cousin to put 2 and 2 together. Happy Thanksgiving!

Farrell

do bucket seats bring a premium in a 997 gt3?

Hamhands

They sell alone for 15-20k so yes, i'd say so.

Steve_D

Premium in price? Definitely. But for oddballs like me who are more interested in being happy while daily driving an orgasmicly good vehicle, adaptive sport 'sofas' are way easier to live with.

Farrell

gotcha. just with some of the prices ive seen on recent cars asking 150-170k with no buckets but then seeing some of these auctions below that went through BaT. just showing these two examples and see some other examples of 997.2 gt3 around the 150-160k mark with lower miles and no buckets. just curious what a 50k mile gt3 is worth with no buckets? i saw the most recent one on BaT that sold for 139K w/ 50k miles but that seems high, however i dont know if the market just jumped up over the summer?


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jreifler

Way too many factors to make a reliable generalization about what premium buckets add across all cars. You’d have to get 2 nearly identical cars with and without selling on the same day. And even then it would be imprecise. Best you can probably do is say that in general, for a subset of buyers, buckets carry some premium. And it’s not a 1:1 - I.e., buckets sell for $15-20k standalone, so the premium is 15-20k.

Farrell

what is a 997.2 gt3 with 20k-30k worth these days?

Wonderdan

That info is going to cost you a Rennlist membership fee, or just read

Farrell

didn't you just sell your .2 recently with 14k miles for 162k? which partially seems to be my question. i see these cars listed high but when sold in an auction they land at 150-160k maybe a few at 170k unless its PTS or has some crazy options. so are people just over pricing some of the cars that are sitting?

Wonderdan

Not a lot of cars sitting too long from what I can see, velocity is higher than usual. If you can find a full leather .2 + pccb under 15k miles for $162k then I’d say that’s as good indication thats at or above the market, if you can’t then it’s higher, my guess is I could have gotten 170-175 today and 180 if it was another color but it’s spec was in the mid-high 130s, most are much less

flipwils11

Thanks for posting your story and experience. I'm the same, have never sat in any GT3 let alone a 997, but I remember when the 997's were new and I fell in love with the shape. It still has that gotta have it factor for me and your post helps keep me stay focused on the prize! (a 997.2 GT3 for me).