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Old 11-29-2012, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
All the new M models (including the 2014 M3 with Twin or Triple Turbo I6) will have electric power steering.
Ah, interesting. The new M6 has however has a conventional system - and BMW on purpose took it out for its sporty version of the 6 series..
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Originally Posted by a.928
Ah, interesting. The new M6 has however has a conventional system - and BMW on purpose took it out for its sporty version of the 6 series..
Yeah, BMW has used EPS on its non-M cars for quite some time (and never on an M car), so it was a shock to many fans when they said all newly developed M cars from next year will have EPS also.

Either they feel the EPS technology has improved (not evidenced in any BMW cars) or the demands for fuel economy (and being able to steer with the start/stop feature) became too compelling.
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Originally Posted by a.928
Hi Ray,

More or less the same info I have..but in Europe prices will be higher and the car will probably be introduced 2-3 months earlier.

10GT3 mentioned that it will be a 4.0L..hmm...from what I heard it will be a 3.8L..but we will see.
Andreas, I have heard 3.8 as well. Do you know the displacement limitations of the 9A1?

Originally Posted by GrantG
All the new M models (including the 2014 M3 with Twin or Triple Turbo I6) will have electric power steering.
Originally Posted by a.928
Ah, interesting. The new M6 has however has a conventional system - and BMW on purpose took it out for its sporty version of the 6 series..
Originally Posted by GrantG
Yeah, BMW has used EPS on its non-M cars for quite some time (and never on an M car), so it was a shock to many fans when they said all newly developed M cars from next year will have EPS also.

Either they feel the EPS technology has improved (not evidenced in any BMW cars) or the demands for fuel economy (and being able to steer with the start/stop feature) became too compelling.
I believe that the newest M cars have conventional hydraulic steering (M5, M6), whereas the rest of the range and the upcoming M cars have/will have EPAS. Despite not having EPAS, the M5 and M6 have received criticism concerning their steering feel, or lack thereof.
Old 11-29-2012, 07:52 PM
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Andreas, I have heard 3.8 as well. Do you know the displacement limitations of the 9A1?







I believe that the newest M cars have conventional hydraulic steering (M5, M6), whereas the rest of the range and the upcoming M cars have/will have EPAS. Despite not having EPAS, the M5 and M6 have received criticism concerning their steering feel, or lack thereof.
Yes, BMW Hydraulic steering is poor and BMW EPS is horrible...
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Yes, BMW Hydraulic steering is poor and BMW EPS is horrible...
I drove an E92 M3 in February. I thought the steering was ok for what the car is - a sporty GT car that is very affordable now on the used market. I almost bought one, but then I drove my 993... I haven't driven a current BMW other than that car, however.
Old 11-29-2012, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Guest89
I drove an E92 M3 in February. I thought the steering was ok for what the car is - a sporty GT car that is very affordable now on the used market. I almost bought one, but then I drove my 993... I haven't driven a current BMW other than that car, however.
I think part of the problem is that the damn steering wheel on the M cars is too thick
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Originally Posted by maroli
I think part of the problem is that the damn steering wheel on the M cars is too thick
Agree, you always hear people (forums, magazines) talking about thick steering wheels on performance cars as if it's a desirable trait and a thinner wheel is just hopelessly out of date. I like that Porsches don't have a fat steering wheel as standard. In fact, the standard 997 wheel is smaller than the 993 four spoke wheel.
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Estoril:

And the Wing IS going to be different as the ones we saw on the prototypes! Look at the size...
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http://teamspeed.com/forums/gt/76646...3-estoril.html

More pics and discussion of the above; also an internet brands site, so it should be fine to link I think.
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Good news, I like wings.
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Damn, this is a photo shoot for the first press release, brochures etc. So these are the final product, too bad it's mostly still covered up!
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this might has do to something with the new car being introduced for the Supercup series
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Originally Posted by Yannick-HST
Estoril:

And the Wing IS going to be different as the ones we saw on the prototypes! Look at the size...
Whoever took that image (other than Porsche AG itself!!) couldn't take a minute or so, and grab a glimpse of the real thingy!!
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Originally Posted by montoya
Damn, this is a photo shoot for the first press release, brochures etc. So these are the final product, too bad it's mostly still covered up!
Originally Posted by porschemeister
this might has do to something with the new car being introduced for the Supercup series
Those pictures were posted on TS in October; they are pretty old
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Originally Posted by Guest89
Agree, you always hear people (forums, magazines) talking about thick steering wheels on performance cars as if it's a desirable trait and a thinner wheel is just hopelessly out of date. I like that Porsches don't have a fat steering wheel as standard. In fact, the standard 997 wheel is smaller than the 993 four spoke wheel.
yeah, I think it's just physics that a thicker steering wheel would damp out more of the feeling. Plus, the added weight means more inertia. I think the Lotus Evora has a magnesium steering wheel frame to prevent that.


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