Originally Posted by ThomasCarreraGTS

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Originally Posted by ThomasCarreraGTS

The Internet. The only place where any keyboard warrior is his mom’s basement can become an expert with instant credibility. Got to love it

Originally Posted by 8Lug

Ironic comment from the guy that started this whole debate by making an unfounded claim and presenting it as fact.

Originally Posted by stout

^ What a strange, unfounded comment.



^ This.



Your first point is a matter of philosophy, but it's based on an assumption that could be wrong. More information is needed. Your second and third points are flatly wrong. Articles noting multiple suspension-related changes for the 997.2-based GTS were published by many disparate sources with firsthand access to Weissach engineers responsible for the GTS (Autocar, EVO, Excellence, R&T, etc). As for the info I shared, it came from similar channels plus a one-on-one interview with the head of 997 development and/or subsequent written questions that required input from Weissach to answer.

What is apparently hard to find is a definitive list of the changes. As a fan of the 997.2 GTS, I'm curious too. But we've come to a strange place on Rennlist when speculative forum posts and hardbound dealer brochures (very low on the totem pole of model info from PAG) are trusted before vetted text for, say, Road & Track or answers/info from Weissach engineers. I only joined this conversation at the request of Prairiedog, and didn't realize it would turn into fellow Rennlisters suggesting I'll print hearsay. That's a pretty serious allegation, and I may need to reevaluate my contributions. The funniest thing here is I actually complimented the GTS in the R&T piece. Lol. Only on Rennlist…



Ah, but there is. You go on to state three differences below, but perhaps your definition of "bespoke suspension" is "utterly different suspension"? I guess I can see that, but even Carrera > GT3 is a matter of degree in the grand scheme of things…and tiny suspension tuning differences can add up to real, palpable changes.

I did a test years ago at Sears Point with a Spec 911 where the only change was damper valving, with Craig Watkins of SmartRacing & Flying Lizard setting the same 911 SC up with three different damper sets and realigning the car each time he swapped the dampers out…all on the same day. Talk about a lot of work! But it was worth it: The leap from new, off-the-shelf Bilstein Sports to custom-revalved Bilsteins was frankly shocking—that old 911 literally felt 10 or 15 years more modern. The third setup, a slight tweak to the rear dampers only, was frankly too subtle for me to pick up on—but it was something the car's owner wanted to try and he preferred it.



On this we agree. I don't think the superb handling of the 997.2 GTS is a coincidence, as it rarely is. From my philosophy of suspension, the differences between the S and GTS you mention above are enough to make the GTS chassis/suspenion unique. The result certainly is, this on top of a Carrera S that already handled well.

Originally Posted by Upscale Audio

I agree Stout. In this case it's simply making some small tweeks. It's already a good suspension on its way out of production because of a new platform coming on line. It means they took their experience with it and pushed it forward. It doesn't mean they reinvented it for the model.

I very much appreciate the insight you gave based on your interviews and investigations.

Originally Posted by Doug H

Are kidding here? Do you not like Sport Suspension?

Originally Posted by ThomasCarreraGTS

No, not kidding at all. You obviously have not researched this. The GTS was designed with. a Bespoke suspension which is responsible for the amazing handling and ride that the car is known for. This is well documented. Porsche never intended for the sport suspension option to be ordered in the GTS - it was an S model option..

Originally Posted by ThomasCarreraGTS

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Originally Posted by jkoravos

Anyway...back to regularaly scheduled programming...

Now is definitely the bottom of the market, I've seen quite a few nice deals out there in the last month.

997.2 C2 Cab 50k for $37k
https://www.porscheoftysonscorner.co...ource=cars.com

Originally Posted by mujeriega

Pluses: Price, Manual, Moderate Mileage and Accident occurred in 2011.
Minuses: Accident on the Carfax, Cabriolet (to me)

Should be a nice driver for someone out there though.

Originally Posted by Prairiedawg

Small tweaks can add up to a lot. Anecdotally it seems that anyone who has driven both an S and GTS say the GTS is better even with the same parts. The only difference I found is the rear anti-roll bars. Likely due to being a wide body car.

I used to watch NASCAR back when it was fun, all the cars were almost the same. They all made the same horsepower or close. Small changes in tire pressure and suspension adjustments during pit stops to keep up with the track conditions and competition could send a car from the back to the front.

Porsche didn't study their cars and take notes of what works better? With the same components? Small tweaks can add up and/or perhaps a widebody with an S suspension is the magic bullet?

Originally Posted by Doug H

Haha, the GTS guys have crashed this thread.