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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 12:52 PM
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https://jalopnik.com/at-17-999-is-th...ibl-1847119750

then there is this. 🔼

nice price or no dice?
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TheChunkNorris
Man I was thinking this was more of a BaT anomaly but it’s starting to bleed over to regular sales outside of auction sites. Long story short, my neighbors brother in law offered me $36.5k. He’s been looking at 996.2/997.1 for a couple years now and he was telling me feels like he missed the boat.

You'll always miss the boat if you never get on board...

If 996's are $60k in 2 years, getting in at $40k would be a steal. If 996's are $20k in 2 years, you'll have lost half of your value in 24 months...but you'll still have a 996 to drive. I'm thrilled I decided to get on board. Looking forward to the Pcar experience. Hoping the car is good to me, and doesn't drain my wallet with repairs, but its kinda one of those, "expect the worst, hope for the best" mindsets.

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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 03:41 PM
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If?? MY99 are $55K now. 4S are $65K now. 6TT are $75K now. GT are $150K now.

In two years add a zero.

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If 996's are $60k in 2 years.
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
If?? MY99 are $55K now. 4S are $65K now. 6TT are $75K now. GT are $150K now.

In two years add a zero.
In anticipation I will be listing my 2003 4s very cheap, only $599,000, almost 10% off! I'll still have my $800,000 997.2 4s to use as my dd!
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick;[url=tel:17502158
17502158[/url]]If?? MY99 are $55K now. 4S are $65K now. 6TT are $75K now. GT are $150K now.

In two years add a zero.
I hate to say this, but I think the market will cool or flatten in a year or two. A used 911 has traditionally always been more than 1/2 price off a new one. The reason is performance and tech.
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 04:47 PM
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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my $800,000 997.2 4s
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 04:50 PM
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I’m sure he did!! 🤣🤣🤣

Originally Posted by TheChunkNorris
it’s starting to bleed over to regular sales.. my neighbors brother in law offered me $36.5k.
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 04:54 PM
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Yup 🤑🤑🤑

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Just paid $39k for a 2003 C2, blk/blk.. This was probably a $30k car last year
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I love love to say this, but I think the 996 market will heat up and intensify in a year or two. Collectible 911’s have traditionally defied all objective predictions holding prices down. The reason is passion and desire.


Originally Posted by Mike Murphy
I hate to say this, but I think the market will cool or flatten in a year or two. A used 911 has traditionally always been more than 1/2 price off a new one. The reason is performance and tech.
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 05:32 PM
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A silver lining to the rapid price increase across 996 models is the cost of an invasive PPI is no longer a significant % of a buyer's potential outlay. It might even incentivize sellers to provide a 3rd party PPI upfront and recoup the cost through a better final price. Hopefully less people will buy blind and then show up on RL asking about a ticking sound.
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
I love love to say this, but I think the 996 market will heat up and intensify in a year or two. Collectible 911’s have traditionally defied all objective predictions holding prices down. The reason is passion and desire.
OK, you have finally won me over, Rock On !!
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick;[url=tel:17502264
17502264]I love love to say this, but I think the 996 market will heat up and intensify in a year or two. Collectible 911’s have traditionally defied all objective predictions holding prices down. The reason is passion and desire.
There are 2 future problems for ever increasing 996 prices:

1.) The 997 and 991 will be coming down in price as time goes on, so people are going to start comparing 996s to those cars. It will be the same old arguments as before: The SC 3.0 vs 3.2 Carrera vs 964 and ‘which one should I buy?’ will have the same answer as it has always had, ‘buy the newest 911 you can afford.’

2.) People who bought the 996 2-6 years ago did so mostly because they were cheap. Not because it was such a supreme handling car, or unique headlights, or cable throttle, despite owners claiming that’s the reason. No, we bought them despite the headlights and negativity about the interior, because driving a 911 in that price point was almost too good to be true. And for most, it was and still is. For some (major repairs), not so much.

Once the 996 gets to be priced like any other used 911, then any other used 911 becomes the target of ‘passion and desire.’

The argument that the 996 feels vintage compared to ‘sterilized’ newer, modern cars, is the same old argument from the early 911s, up through the 964s, including the 996 - especially the 996 - when it came out.

But make no mistake about it - the Porsche 911 is an amazing machine. The newer the 911, the more incredible and amazing it is. These cars end up being the fastest, more fun and extreme cars on the planet in the most extreme variants.

I wouldn’t sell my 911 for any other car, but I would sell it for a better 911. Better ones could be newer or older, but once the used 911 costs $50k instead of $20k, the air-cooled market opens up, as well as the 997, and not long from now, the 991.

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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Murphy
There are 2 future problems for ever increasing 996 prices:

1.) The 997 and 991 will be coming down in price as time goes on, so people are going to start comparing 996s to those cars. It will be the same old arguments as before: The SC 3.0 vs 3.2 Carrera vs 964 and ‘which one should I buy?’ will have the same answer as it has always had, ‘buy the newest 911 you can afford.’

2.) People who bought the 996 2-6 years ago did so mostly because they were cheap. Not because it was such a supreme handling car, or unique headlights, or cable throttle, despite owners claiming that’s the reason. No, we bought them despite the headlights and negativity about the interior, because driving a 911 in that price point was almost too good to be true. And for most, it was and still is. For some (major repairs), not so much.

Once the 996 gets to be priced like any other used 911, then any other used 911 becomes the target of ‘passion and desire.’

The argument that the 996 feels vintage compared to ‘sterilized’ newer, modern cars, is the same old argument from the early 911s, up through the 964s, including the 996 - especially the 996 - when it came out.

But make no mistake about it - the Porsche 911 is an amazing machine. The newer the 911, the more incredible and amazing it is. These cars end up being the fastest, more fun and extreme cars on the planet in the most extreme variants.

I wouldn’t sell my 911 for any other car, but I would sell it for a better 911. Better ones could be newer or older, but once the used 911 costs $50k instead of $20k, the air-cooled market opens up, as well as the 997, and not long from now, the 991.
All this makes too much since, it can't happen in today's world !!...
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Murphy
There are 2 future problems for ever increasing 996 prices:

1.) The 997 and 991 will be coming down in price as time goes on, so people are going to start comparing 996s to those cars. It will be the same old arguments as before: The SC 3.0 vs 3.2 Carrera vs 964 and ‘which one should I buy?’ will have the same answer as it has always had, ‘buy the newest 911 you can afford.’

2.) People who bought the 996 2-6 years ago did so mostly because they were cheap. Not because it was such a supreme handling car, or unique headlights, or cable throttle, despite owners claiming that’s the reason. No, we bought them despite the headlights and negativity about the interior, because driving a 911 in that price point was almost too good to be true. And for most, it was and still is. For some (major repairs), not so much.

Once the 996 gets to be priced like any other used 911, then any other used 911 becomes the target of ‘passion and desire.’

The argument that the 996 feels vintage compared to ‘sterilized’ newer, modern cars, is the same old argument from the early 911s, up through the 964s, including the 996 - especially the 996 - when it came out.

But make no mistake about it - the Porsche 911 is an amazing machine. The newer the 911, the more incredible and amazing it is. These cars end up being the fastest, more fun and extreme cars on the planet in the most extreme variants.

I wouldn’t sell my 911 for any other car, but I would sell it for a better 911. Better ones could be newer or older, but once the used 911 costs $50k instead of $20k, the air-cooled market opens up, as well as the 997, and not long from now, the 991.
If what you say is true, then that would mean that the early 911s thru the 993 would see a leveling off with the increase in 996 value, but it hasn’t. Also, people bought the other 911s because they were cheap at the time, too. I think the 996 will continue to raise in value until it reaches similar prices to the other earlier cars and then it will level off. The main point is that the 996 will no longer be the “cheap” or entry point 911. It will just be seen as a regular 911 like the others. The purists have hated every single car after the 356 at some point. Good thing for many of us that we are independent thinkers. We now own the 911 with the most unique headlights in the model range, lifted straight from the GT1. That’s the narrative going forward. Fried egg negativity is outdated.
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 07:03 PM
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Honestly it's all chump change with the money being made in the stock markets the last couple of years. Most of these buyers have accounts that can fluctuate $10-50k a day. So truth be told, if you're paying 50k for a car that 2 yrs ago was 35, who cares?
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