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There are still folks out there with money to spend and can buy what they want. I am pleasantly surprised at the prices for many of the 996.2s that sold over the past week or two. Bottom isn't falling out and is holding firm.
Non-S and non-X50 turbo prices are very weak. Plenty for sale under $50k. Dont get it, nor have i studied why. May be the best deal out in the 996 market.
Highest recent Mezger sales on BaT have been “non-X50” Turbos!
You have to parse between the highly desirable (and relatively rare) manual-coupes in unicorn colors hammering weekly over six-figures. And the vast remainder of Cabs & Tips trolling eternally under $50K
Look to the 964 market: where a manual-coupe in Speed Yellow can easily surpass a quarter-million dollars at Sotheby’s. But a Cab-Tip in Black / Gray will trade typically on Craigslist for $30K
It’s a “dichotomy”. IE something for everyone. From Seinfeld to Hoovie, there’s an a$$ for every 996 Turbo seat! 🤑
Highest recent Mezger sales on BaT have been “non-X50” Turbos!
You have to parse between the highly desirable (and relatively rare) manual-coupes in unicorn colors hammering weekly over six-figures. And the vast remainder of Cabs & Tips trolling eternally under $50K
Look to the 964 market: where a manual-coupe in Speed Yellow can easily surpass a quarter-million dollars at Sotheby’s. But a Cab-Tip in Black / Gray will trade typically on Craigslist for $30K
It’s a “dichotomy”. IE something for everyone. From Seinfeld to Hoovie, there’s an a$$ for every 996 Turbo seat! 🤑
i hear you man, the special low mileage -or- x50 or S variants are going for big bucks and they should. What also should be going for higher prices but arent are the standard turbo. $50-60k for a well sorted standard turbo is a huge bargain. Especially when a C4S is going for nearly the same price. Don't know why turbos are cheap, but they are. One of these days the market will wake up to it.
Don't know why turbos are cheap, but they are. One of these days the market will wake up to it.
Totally wild guess but perhaps people are searching for the NA experience more and more. There is no doubt that any turbo, even the base one is A LOT of car for the money with where they are today. That said, just about every other performance car today is turbocharged and soon will probably be some sort of a performance hybrid. The turbo is hugely capable but you will still experience the turbo lag that is of that era plus there is the potential issue of sound. Turbos don’t sound bad but they're not a NA motor and will not sound as good IMHO.
Totally wild guess but perhaps people are searching for the NA experience more and more. There is no doubt that any turbo, even the base one is A LOT of car for the money with where they are today. That said, just about every other performance car today is turbocharged and soon will probably be some sort of a performance hybrid. The turbo is hugely capable but you will still experience the turbo lag that is of that era plus there is the potential issue of sound. Turbos don’t sound bad but they're not a NA motor and will not sound as good IMHO.
Pete, you may be on to something. The reality is that nobody really needs 420 HP on the street. You cant use it. And depending on how that power is delivered on the track, it may not be viable or even useable. 300-320 HP in our cars on the street is more than most can handle and/or need. Not to mention that the powerband of the M96 makes it a pleasure to drive.
Having recently traded my 996.1 C2 for a Turbo, I respectfully disagree. Yes 420 hp especially in the way this car delivers it is a lot for public roads, but my Lord is it fun! The Mezger engine sound is totally intoxicating with a slightly rough idle, moving to a quite soothing sweet sound when you’re just puttering around town, up to a metallic howl when you push it all the way. The way the engine tone changes around 4000 rpm is mesmerizing. It just feels very special. And in no way is the driving experience comparable to a modern vanilla turbocharged engine (I agree these are extremely boring). This engine is anything but boring.
Yeah can't compare a 3 cylinder 1.5 liter turbo Escape with a 996 Turbo. I have not found 420hp to be excessive around town, there's no need to use it unless you want to. It's really very driveable, especially with the tip transmission (that will probably set some hair on fire somewhere). On track it's great as well. Like any car it takes a little bit of getting used to, mostly to be at half-throttle through corners so the turbos are ready to go for the straights.
Nope. You speciously conflate manual-coupes with Cabs and Tips
The mean retail price for a manual-coupe 996 Turbo with clean CarFax on Autotrader is now over $80K. The average price is almost $100K!
And none of those in desirable colors (those are being held now)
Classic 911 configuration matters to collectors
Just ask Singer
Originally Posted by GC996
i hear you man, the special low mileage -or- x50 or S variants are going for big bucks and they should. What also should be going for higher prices but arent are the standard turbo. $50-60k for a well sorted standard turbo is a huge bargain. Especially when a C4S is going for nearly the same price. Don't know why turbos are cheap, but they are. One of these days the market will wake up to it.
these are just a few examples. The more important thing to note is that these cars have been for sale for more than 4 months. That's tells me the price is too high. Although in Canada, transport and border issues are easy to the U.S. yet these cars are not selling. I think BAT cars are only an anomaly.
Okay 996 experts give me your price range. I'll be listing my car for sale soon. Here are the details, service records and mods done.2004 911 Anniversary Edition
3.6L X51 standard 345HP
#0334 October 2003 build date
Purchased August 3, 2014
Option codes
C02 X99 Natural Leather 437 8 way electric seats Left 438 8 way electric seats Right 537 Seat Memory Left
680 DSP Digital Bose Sound 692 CD Changer X54 SS tail pipes X70 SS door entry guard X71 Aluminum gauge look X97 Aluminum gear lever X98 Aluminum hand brake 288 Headlamp washer 446 Wheel caps with colored Porsche crest 601 Xenon Headlamps. Car has full four piece luggage set, unused.
Oil & oil filter service history – No history from owner one on oil or other service. I have 8 years of Black Stone Oil reports under my owneship. First records I have start at;
02/09/06 at 8,180
12/11/06 at 11,497
05/07/07 at 12,444
04/30/09 at 16,415
04/12/11 at 18,981
04/27/12 at 21,225
07/01/14 at 25,433
10/20/14 at 27,486 5W 40 Shell Rotella T-6
05/20/15 at 28,500 5w 40 Castrol Syntec
05/01/16 at 29,700 5w50 Mobile One
05/01/17 at 30,600 0w40 Mobile One
02/02/18 at 31,228 0W40 Mobile One (I striped LN plug torq head & took to shop for oil service)
02/28/19 at 32,512 0W40 Mobile One Filter clear, oil clear
06/05/19 at 32,700 IMSS, AOS and oil and filter at Hergesheimer Lake Forest CA Unfortunately I had just completed the annual oil and filter less than 200 miles ago
05/29/20 at 33,290 0W40 oil change and filter Mobil One
05/22/21 at 33,431 0W40 oil change and filter Mobil One plus Ceratec
05/04/22 at 33,829 0W40 oil change and filter Mobile One plus Ceratec
06/27/22 at 33,843 High Pressure Power Steering line replaced at Autostrasse Costa Mesa CA
West End Alignment Gardena CA November, 2014
Front .7 Camber .0 Toe Rear 1.5 Camber .32 Toe
150.00
DIY 30k Service at 27,500 October 22, 2014
Pelican Parts and AutoHaus AZ parts order
Air and cabin filters 45.00
Spark Plugs and coil packs, time not miles replaced (Spark Plugs FGR-5 Bosch) and updated 997 coil packs – all plugs looked great
Oil Pressure sender switch replaced (PPI OBDII showed intermittent failure occurring) Working now, no codes -Preventive replacement. 80.00
Magnetic Oil Drain Plug LN Engineering 25.00
Oil service Shell Rotella 5 40 and new filter 50.00 – see oil history above
Serpentine Belt OEM Porsche 55.00
Brake/clutch fluid flush DOT 4 15.00
Euro Hella clear side markers installed 60.00
Bumper Plugs 30.00
Phase II December, 2014
Transmission fluid changed 01/15/15 Kendall 75w90 SL Cape Auto Laguna Nigel 28k miles 125.00
Adaptec 7mm front and 7mm rear spacer 217.00
Fister D exhaust Mod 330.00 plus used 2004 AE 5k mile donor cans 475.00
Phase III
December 2015
GT3 wheels 2k
GT3 Euro Seats 3.3k
GT3 Porsche Factory roll bar 1.2k
996 Aero OE deck lid and wing 1.5k
GT3 front brake air dams
Phase IV
December 2016
PSS10 Coil Overs and GT3 street alignment – WestEnd Gardena CA
Porsche engine Skid plate
December 2017
Porsche Water Pump preventively
Wahler 160 Thermostat and housing preventively
Porsche coolant flush and fill
June 05, 2019
32,700 miles
After five years of ownership and reading the hype on IMSB failure nightmares, I preventively had an IMSS installed by LN Preferred shop Hergesheimer Lake Forest CA at 32,700 miles. Car tested perfect with BlackStone report, clear oil filter and LN Mag plug, Cam timing in spec etc… AOS tested in spec but with Trans out I decided to have shop do it. Rear main seal replaced with updated seal.
PS: I have all stock parts. Wheels, deck lid, seats, suspension.... that will go with car to new owner
Yeah can't compare a 3 cylinder 1.5 liter turbo Escape with a 996 Turbo. I have not found 420hp to be excessive around town, there's no need to use it unless you want to. It's really very driveable, especially with the tip transmission (that will probably set some hair on fire somewhere). On track it's great as well. Like any car it takes a little bit of getting used to, mostly to be at half-throttle through corners so the turbos are ready to go for the straights.
I Totally agree...The current prices/trend doesn't reflect it, but IMHO the Tiptronic is the way to go on the Turbo...
If power and raw acceleration is what you want, the "no-lift-shifts" of the Tiptronic and the constant torque applied to the wheels can't be matched by a manual...
I have driven a lot of really high powered Drag cars in my time both manual and Auto's, can can say that what you don't want is to upset the suspension by shifting gears..The higher the power the more the need for smooth shifts....
The people who insist on a manual on a Turbo Porsche are doing it for reasons other than shear performance....
So are we in agreement that the 996 Turbo (non-X50, non-S and non-low mileage garage queen) isn't yet reflecting the sum of its parts in the current market and prices should be higher?
Nope. You speciously conflate manual-coupes with Cabs and Tips
The mean retail price for a manual-coupe 996 Turbo with clean CarFax on Autotrader is now over $80K. The average price is almost $100K!
And none of those in desirable colors (those are being held now)
Classic 911 configuration matters to collectors
Just ask Singer
Bdron, I love you man, but got no idea what you are talking about. All i know is that run of the mill 996 Turbos are pretty damn cheap. Someone will wake up and figure it out. New buyers will get alot for a low price. $50-60k in today's market.
11-24-2022, 01:10 PM
