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Old 04-14-2021 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick;[url=tel:17365339
17365339]This is exactly what was said about SC, 3.2, & 964. The population is growing exponentially; and with it every discrete pool of buyers grows DAILY.

There will never be even one more 996; ever.

What was a “glut” of 964’s in 1999 is a “dearth” in 2019. I was literally the only living being searching for a unicorn 964 in 1999. Now I’m pushed out by countless millions of hedge fund Millenials and retired Boomers; that all came into my pet GenX market from nowhere!

You will see the exact same thing happen with 996, and even the (comparatively) multitudinous 997/991’s.

Just math.
Yeah, I remember being on Rennlist back in 2005, and you are spot on. The other point that goes with your comments, is that even though a bunch of 996s were made, there are many variants. The rarity of any specific build type will drive prices higher, not unlike certain color combinations that provoke buyers to simply rule out one car for another. Nothing is new here for any vintage car or supercar, but it’s not like Porsche didn’t think this through. The brilliance of Porsche is their ‘exclusive’ mindset: they can mass-produce seemingly unique cars. At least that’s what some owners think. I have a run-of-the-mill 99 triple black cab. But it has a factory LSD and hideous factory parking sensors on the rear bumper. At 66,000 miles, a buyer that’s looking for these specific options might be hard pressed to find a cable-operated throttle-bodied car with a double-row IMSB and no glovebox with LSD. Sounds like buyers should just be open to any 996. They are all great driver cars, but rarity (especially the perception of rarity) can really drive the market. Not to mention people have global access to any car they want with how connected everyone is.

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Old 04-14-2021 | 03:26 PM
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Generally true. And specifically with 996 you also have an indeterminate compounding of several completely mystifying market factors. For example the design, at least originally, was utterly polarizing. I had a 60-something English gentleman walk up to me yesterday in my tennis club parking lot and ask: “Is that the new Carrera?”

I get that. 996 looks at once like a 1965, and a 2025 911. It completely mystified the “establishment” 911 market in 1998, and its still utterly mystifying people almost twenty five years later.

I’m of the personal (and admittedly subjective) opinion that Type 996 will eventually be viewed by history as definitely the most important, and probably the most beautiful, modern 911 ever built.

And of course 996 is the first, and the only, Factory 911 Type to ever win Overall at LeMans.


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..rarity (especially the perception of rarity) can really drive the market. Not to mention people have global access to any car they want with how connected everyone is.

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Old 04-14-2021 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
I’m of the personal (and admittedly subjective) opinion that Type 996 will eventually be viewed by history as definitely the most important, and probably the most beautiful, modern 911 ever built.

And of course 996 is the first, and the only, Factory 911 Type to ever win Overall at LeMans.
996 saved Porsche from going bankrupt. Not to mention the success of LeMans noted above as well.

End of the day whether or not prices increase (already are) is irrelevant as I don't see myself separating from this car, it's everything desired since driving my buddies fathers in the early 2000's from a local car meet. Would love to have a 993/964, but it would merely be an addition to the garage and not a replacement.
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Old 04-14-2021 | 03:56 PM
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Same feeling for me. I genuinely love the look of the 996 in all trims. Probably my favorite is the 40thAE as I have always preferred the narrowbodies regardless of generation. Despite being "better" cars, the 997 onward do absolutely nothing for me from an aesthetic standpoint.
Old 04-14-2021 | 04:25 PM
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Can someone please post a picture of this 996 that won Lemans? I am curious the similarities to our beloved road cars.
Old 04-14-2021 | 04:33 PM
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Headlight are cool all the sudden


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Old 04-14-2021 | 04:39 PM
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Check these headlights on a Porsche GT.

https://autos.yahoo.com/former-top-g...160000594.html
Old 04-14-2021 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
And of course 996 is the first, and the only, Factory 911 Type to ever win Overall at LeMans.
Hi, could you please elaborate on that? I've heard it said before here on the forum. Is this a reference to the GT1? But I don' think this is accurate, the GT1 was a prototype car, and by this reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911_GT1 it says "In spite of its 911 moniker, the car actually had very little in common with the 911 of the time, only sharing the front and rear headlamps with the production sports car." Yes, the GT1 won Le Mans overall in 1998, but again it is nothing like the 996. Is there some other year where a 996 derived car won Le Mans overall?
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Okay, underneath must be like a 996 or at least a GT version. Besides the headlights, what are the similarities. Someone help me out here.
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Originally Posted by brontosaurus
Same feeling for me. I genuinely love the look of the 996 in all trims. Probably my favorite is the 40thAE as I have always preferred the narrowbodies regardless of generation. Despite being "better" cars, the 997 onward do absolutely nothing for me from an aesthetic standpoint.
I agree. I just got mine today and I love it. The top doesn’t go down and it need a butt load of work but it’s still a Porsche and it’s mine.



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Old 04-14-2021 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by moosetaco
Honestly, I'm on the fence about that statement. I recently sold mine and while I wish I still had it, some life changes unfortunately dictated the sale. With that being said, I am very interested to see what happens to 996 values if/when a economic down turn arrives. I for one think the 996 will come back to the values we are currently seeing and higher, but do not think they will be immune whenever this facade of an economy crumbles.
The problem is, I've been concerned about that since 2010 after the first round of government stepping in and manipulating policy which has led to 10 years of stupid cheap debt and thus, hugely levered companies. Here we are today with the government flexing its muscles more than ever and the question is, in this economic experiment, who is right about the new world of fiscal policy? My finance degree says this is all wrong but I've also missed out on a tremendous amount of wealth accumulation by sitting out of the markets expecting to be right.

Point being is that it could be another 10 years or maybe even never (unlikely) before this comes to roost and if you're trying to time the market to catch the high, you may end up like me and miss out on a lot of the upside (that shouldn't exist). And, since we're talking about cars, a lot of the enjoyment that they bring in owning them. As with my home, I try not to look at it as an investment and instead, just take any upside that I happen to capitalize on as an unexpected gift.
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Old 04-14-2021 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Argeo
Okay, underneath must be like a 996 or at least a GT version. Besides the headlights, what are the similarities. Someone help me out here.
1998 overall was the GT1. Similarities was that it was water cooled and similar headlights.

1999 in LMGT class Manthey won the class in a 911 GT3 R with a 3.6 mezger.
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The problem is, I've been concerned about that since 2010 after the first round of government stepping in and manipulating policy which has led to 10 years of stupid cheap debt and thus, hugely levered companies. Here we are today with the government flexing its muscles more than ever and the question is, in this economic experiment, who is right about the new world of fiscal policy? My finance degree says this is all wrong but I've also missed out on a tremendous amount of wealth accumulation by sitting out of the markets expecting to be right.

Point being is that it could be another 10 years or maybe even never (unlikely) before this comes to roost and if you're trying to time the market to catch the high, you may end up like me and miss out on a lot of the upside (that shouldn't exist). And, since we're talking about cars, a lot of the enjoyment that they bring in owning them. As with my home, I try not to look at it as an investment and instead, just take any upside that I happen to capitalize on as an unexpected gift.
I’m sorry you were not able to capitalize on the last 21 years. I just turned 53 yesterday and have formally been retired since 2013. Long term stock market goes up. I started investing since I was 16 and my goal retirement by 50. As you can see I have achieved more than I planned, Anyway by having traveled to over 100 countries around the world and doing my own investments management I have learned a few things. 1. When you go to Rome you do like the romans. 2. When your real estate agent tells you , you are approved for a $750,000 loan you buy a $300,000 home. Finally learning from others mistakes, is not what you make, it’s what you keep and do with it. Two great book reads 1. The millionaire next door. 2. Ramsay’s total money makeover formulate your plan from learnings from the two and you should be golden. Anyway regarding whatever the government does we can not fight it, but we can learn adapt and plan accordingly. Going to a beer garden and Italian coal fired pizza joint tonight here in Austin, my birthday party week continues,

My rebel day, drinking IPAs wearing KIZZ shirt.

A fellow Porsche owner At the lake.


That Electric ⚡️ Jellyfish IPA awesome. Beware of the high ABV.

If you ever come to Lake Travis by Austin Texas the placid for three view is Oasis brew house. The beers are ok, The food is weak and overpriced but that’s the best view of y to of lake,
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Old 04-14-2021 | 06:59 PM
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My daughter and son-in-law live a few miles away from the Oasis. They drive a DeLorean so you can't miss them, LOL.
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At Saturday GTG 2 mine and squirrel. I
If you make it to Sugar Land this Saturday, there might be 3 or 4.
@cun65458 might be there.
How about @Z996Z, are you going this Saturday?

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I’ll be the third one once I make her presentable.
Patch up the brakes, slap some Texas plates on her and head on down.


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