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I don't get it, if NBs are easily breaking the $100k barrier, a remotely comparable WBs surely should have a bigger gap between them.
I will also say... I've never seen so many 993s go up for sale and change hands as I have in the past year and a half. The sheer volume of sales will surely cement the rising tides, this is now the new baseline for the next leg up.
Let me explain speedogate from a Woodward and Bernstein perspective:
Our goal in performing pre-purchase inspections is to report our findings based on direct evidence, offer repair plans and estimates, and provide an opinion of value if asked. (Anymore I hesitate to offer it simply because it's the wild, wild, west right now with crazy prices.) Of course odometers break and of course people get them fixed. Why inspect the back of a speedo? Because there's a lot of shoddy work done re-crimping bezels. Just like any work done on a car for sale our customers want to know:
1. IF work has been done.
2. The quality of the work.
3. If documentation supports the work that was done.
Based on those three points buyers have every right to know what the back of a speedo looks like. Why the outrage? The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Anyone who was paying attention to the BaT auctions read comments from people who had no idea broken odo gears were a thing until it was brought up. Because it's so common we treat it as a trivial matter. When they break we repair them and add back in the lost mileage the owner calculates he drove while broken. No harm; no foul. Pretending that the whole exercise should just be ignored casts suspicion and raises doubts. Baffling to me why some of you are advocating this? Does this trigger a true TMU situation? No idea. That's not up to me to decide. HelpMeHelpYou nailed it: Mileage is merely an indicator, not a definer.
During the Whirling Dervish and lynch mob that was going on in previous posts here someone inferred "how does it even benefit Beck's to bring up these boogeymen?" (Speedos, check straps, and valve guides.) It doesn't! We get paid to report the news; not be activists or serve some self-interest. (An anomaly in this current culture!) We don't play favorites and our reports are objective. Our shop is busier than we want to be and there seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel. I comment on BaT for entertainment and because I want to help buyers. One pet peeve? When sellers purposefully leave out close-ups of door check strap brackets. Like the speedos, we've all seen some grotesque "repairs" done to these. Again, buyers deserve to see this.
Tony, please go back and read my comments during the 4k mile Zenith Blue '98 cab on BaT. I assure you we know how to check engine hours using our KTS-301, PST2, PIWIS, and AutoLogic scanners. My comments were based on professional, personal observation and ownership of that car; credentials that no one else in the room had. For those of you who attacked that car with false assumptions... I hope you learned a lesson. BTW: The owner ended up selling the car after the auction and it's headed back to our shop. The new owner wants that ridiculous black paint removed from the hood and the top replaced.
For those of you who cry about "non bidders" ruining auctions on BaT: You need to stop yelling at the sky. You fail to understand or you're in denial that BaT's life blood is commentary from non-bidders! It's the basis for their business model. How many affluent, qualified buyers on BaT have the technical savvy, experience, and knowledge to personally vet a car? Close to zero. They expect lots of background noise and yammering to help them navigate. And they're smart enough to separate the sheep from the goats.
Final thoughts: I appreciate diverse opinions but please be civil about expressing them. Which reminds me... I apologize for using the term muppet. lol. That was a bit harsh.
I don't get it, if NBs are easily breaking the $100k barrier, a remotely comparable WBs surely should have a bigger gap between them.
I will also say... I've never seen so many 993s go up for sale and change hands as I have in the past year and a half. The sheer volume of sales will surely cement the rising tides, this is now the new baseline for the next leg up.
Perhaps the difference in value is closing to match the difference in driving experience.
Perhaps the difference in value is closing to match the difference in driving experience.
Again, like I have said over and over…. a C2 NB is the same exact car as the C2S WB with the exception of the Wide Body Shell. Nothing more. Oh… you get a cool Tach Face that is “scripted C2S.” The real difference is production numbers. C2S also came in Tiptronic. Also Manuals vs Autos makes Manual cars in the C2S more coveted which are even lower numbers. These production numbers are extremely low compared to today’s car production numbers.
C2 Coupe US Delivery was 6,949 cars. Total WW Production was 38,626
C2S US Delivery was 1,752 cars. Total WW Production was 3,714
Actually, I believe the C2S enhanced value mirrors the previous Porsche minimal models that adhere to the original driving experience, like the 356 speedster, that are so highly valued $$ now.
Actually, I believe the C2S enhanced value mirrors the previous Porsche minimal models that adhere to the original driving experience, like the 356 speedster, that are so highly valued $$ now.
All the joy of the C2 NB with expanded rear fenders.
And Porsche history is that most 'turbo look" WB models of the basic 911 versions gain relatively more over time, 911 ST long hood, 911 short hood, 964, 993 etc.
I expect time will continue to see all 993’s rise in value. As many have said, the term NB is really a misnomer. It’s not that narrow and only when parked side by side with a WB and you are behind them that the difference is obvious.
I do like the WB look and that’s one reason I bought a C4S. It’s funny, although I own one, I found myself behind a WB 993 in Houston and missed my exit admiring the view. My perspective is usually from the cockpit.
Never get tired of this view.
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I expect time will continue to see all 993’s rise in value. As many have said, the term NB is really a misnomer. It’s not that narrow and only when parked side by side with a WB and you are behind them that the difference is obvious.
I do like the WB look and that’s one reason I bought a C4S. It’s funny, although I own one, I found myself behind a WB 993 in Houston and missed my exit admiring the view. My perspective is usually from the cockpit.[/i]
IMO, either WB or NB 993 is one of the sexiest cars ever made. The better name for the WB would be "wider body."
Last edited by HelpMeHelpU; 01-15-2022 at 10:23 PM.
I spoke to the dealer and was seriously considering it. It’s a Canadian car (& lives in Montreal now so very difficult to see it in person for Americans) but the dealer has been importing cars for years and pays all the import costs. Its got fantastic options and quite reasonably priced IMO unless there is some undisclosed story. It has what appears to be a minor accident in the carfax and probably some paintjob.
I asked the dealer to send me a walk around video but he never did and is quite slow in responding so I got discouraged ended up buying another car.
I spoke to the dealer and was seriously considering it. It’s a Canadian car (& lives in Montreal now so very difficult to see it in person for Americans) but the dealer has been importing cars for years and pays all the import costs. Its got fantastic options and quite reasonably priced IMO unless there is some undisclosed story. It has what appears to be a minor accident in the carfax and probably some paintjob.
I asked the dealer to send me a walk around video but he never did and is quite slow in responding so I got discouraged ended up buying another car.
Really interesting car...those sports seats alone might make the "risk" worth it?
Really interesting car...those sports seats alone might make the "risk" worth it?
I’m with you. Could be a real gem, which in this market, makes me think twice. I actually found an indy experienced porsche shop nearby for ppi, but again BaT had other plans for me
I spoke to the dealer and was seriously considering it. It’s a Canadian car (& lives in Montreal now so very difficult to see it in person for Americans) but the dealer has been importing cars for years and pays all the import costs. Its got fantastic options and quite reasonably priced IMO unless there is some undisclosed story. It has what appears to be a minor accident in the carfax and probably some paintjob.
I asked the dealer to send me a walk around video but he never did and is quite slow in responding so I got discouraged ended up buying another car.
‘This car was for sale in Toronto at Platinum cars for a very long time at a fair price with no sale. I’d guess more than a year. The paint looked very worn in the pics, so much so that I didn’t even go and see it when I was looking.
01-14-2022, 05:31 AM
