Purekoryo

Because now it’s GTs and not gtS.

RRich

In one of the interviews Porsche said a 992.2 GTS starting at 100% battery was good for the 7:16.9 Nürburgring lap before hitting 0% at the end.

Purekoryo

Don’t know what happened to the designers lately from BMW and now to this. Brotha ewww…

RatherJaded

+1

Dream in PTS

That would be the perfect lineup. But not enough increments for PAG.

cavemanmoore

I don't want a 992.2. However, the complaints about hybrid power remind me of days gone by. Remember when people bemoaned the death of the carburetor in favor of primitive fuel injection? Next, it was the computer-controlled systems that frightened buyers. People were certain that water-cooled 911s would be the death of the Carrera. When that didn't happen, they were extra certain that twin-turbo power on the base, S, and GTS models was going to kill the driving experience. Now, here we are again: the world is moving on in front of us. As much as people think hybrid 911s will be terrible, 10 years from now, they will have a hard time imagining a sports car with a mere 400 horsepower.

JamesPorter911

yes please discontinue the GTS so that my 7MT will hold value even better. Not sure if you realize the price difference between a GTS and a Turbo S? Saying that there shouldn’t be a trim between a Carrera S and a Turbo S is a bit extreme…

VRShader

from what I read,

The generator and the motor is the same thing on the turbo. You can’t be charging and discharging with the same motor. It is possible though at full load, the exhaust generate more power than the compressor consumes so it will be charging. But I really don't think that is the case.
All in all the generator is 15kw. which is less than half of the motor in pdk. Even if the compressor uses 0 power, the battery will drain.

People shouldn't be over indexing on re-gen braking in this car. BEV has good regen braking because they have big motor. The motor we have in PDK is only 50hp, so you can only be regen braking at around 50hp. In aggressive driving condition most energy will go to the brake rotor.

fact is, the engineer himself said the battery drains from 100 to 0 by the end of 7 minute ring attempt. I think the new GTS will be an excellent GT car, but probably not as great at the track. Some people will say duh.

AlexCeres

They quite clearly stated at full load the exhaust generator generates 11kw more. The exhaust motor keeps the turbos under their redline and dumps the excess. There are 2 motors, so it’s entirely possible for the exhaust to be generating while the transition is draining.

Folks imagining themselves to be factory professional race drivers should probably not hyperventilate. With the exhaust regen, you will never have less than 20% e-motor power even at 0% battery due to the constant 11kW

McNamara

Generally agree with this observation but when many of the changes are being driven by the need to meet emission standards I do believe we're entering an era where things in general (for sports cars) aren't getting better, at least in terms of the raw driving experience. I've no doubt the 992.2 is faster. Who cares?

subaru335i

Its because the WLTP cycle didn't get into power enrichment already in the old car so lambda 1 changes nothing. There is maybe a tiny improvement from the exhaust and braking energy power recovery but not much.

VRShader

This is quote from the press release.

"The 911 GTS also uses a newly developed, electrically driven turbocharger. An integrated electric motor, placed between the compressor wheel and the turbine wheel, speeds up the turbocharger very quickly to develop boost. This electric motor in the turbocharger also functions as a generator and can develop up to 11 kW using the exhaust gas stream. The electric turbocharger is not equipped with a wastegate and allows for the use of a single turbocharger compared to the two that were used previously while simultaneously improving throttle response and performance."

Up to 11kW. not 11kW at full load. Also one motor.

Fullyield

@JasonFenske . Hey Jason, can you please do an Engineering Explained YT video episode on what track driving and track braking a 992.2 GTS around the Ring will do to the energy depletion in the 400V battery compared to the energy regen by the MGU-H system and the MGU-K system during the same lap? Porsche engineer discussed it in the Savagegeese YT review but some (including me) are confused by his explanation. The math should be interesting . Thanks.

autozero

I don't think that many are complaining about the addition of hybrid on some of the models. It's really everything else that people are bemoaning:

- lack of manual option
- lack of NA option
- loss of analog tach
- loss of lemans style key
- lazy sport design where it's just more paint on the standard bumper

It's clear that Porsche is looking to maximize profit any way they can which I guess is fair since that's what public traded companies do but it doesn't really breed brand loyalty imo

Now, I say all this despite having a deposit on a .2 and will happily pay a premium for a PTS so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

fanboy

Same here, waiting to meet with my SA to go over build options. I am crossing my fingers for a PTS slot, even though it means spending another $15K for the pleasure. All the default colors are so boring. Where's the Lava Orange or Miami Blue? I feel like the colors could have come from Kia this time around.