undersky2

VW makes most of the cars to sell to USA in USA. Shipping from Germany must be high end models like Golf R or Audi

GoBlue!

Agree. There are supply chain/parts issues as well especially now but we are talking 1/3 of 1% of Porsche’s annual production numbers so I’m context it’s is a painful but small dent in production

Maverick787

No doubt there will be pain with the delays, but high class problems delayed Porsche why many are homeless. Not the same situation my 2015 GT3 was delayed with the whole engine replacement issues, and Porsche increased the warranty for 10 years on those cars. They have too much brand risk not to do this correctly, but global supple chain is the constraint I agree. Good luck to all waiting, but it’s still a car.

krabman

The soot is declared a hazardous waste in many cases. This is the black stuff you expect, sometimes it's the black stuff but thicker than expected, sometimes it takes on the consistency of a sludge or grease, sometimes it's like a tar. This I've seen, I'm told it can present in other ways. Were it me I would not want my car if it had been on that boat. The smoke has an almost magical ability to penetrate into things like closed electrical boxes that has to be seen to believe and soot is left behind. I'm reasonably sure any cars that (may have) survived aren't figuratively tainted, they're literally tainted by this soot.

pfdenver

Nope..that the real data shown on TYD! Funny, not funny lol

CodyBigdog

And you sound naive to assume 1,000 cars being “totaled”, is “no big deal” to Porsche. Porsche is the, or one of the most profitable automobile manufacturers in the world…and they didn’t get in that position by being cavalier with their finances. I’m pretty sure, besides being an embarrassment and huge inconvenience for Porsche, is also, potentially, represents some financial loss for the VW Group. .

As far as the “nickel and dime” statement, I’d like to refer you to any of the threads concerning “saggy seat bottoms”, and Porsche’s response to customer complaints on that issue (fyi - I am not one of them, so represent a neutral party). Furthermore, and after spending about $40K in options that probably cost half that, or are standard, on other premium cars…I have evidence that Porsche is like the movie theatre, where tickets cost $10 to see a hit, but another $20 for popcorn and a drink costing them $1.25. So spare me your assessment. That said, i was willing to pay the premiums they charged…so that’s on me, not Porsche.

CodyBigdog

That would also be my expectation…but curious about prior (relevant) history, and what Porsche did in those situations?

That said, if there are cars with no noticeable damage, yet, are deemed totaled…seems a huge waste to just turn them into scrap? Might Porsche donate to my non-profit automotive charity? 😂

Maverick787

Not arguing with you man ……100% will be covered by insurance, and yes 30B company not a big deal vs more so for the customers waiting. Enjoy your Porsche, you just don’t sound happy bro that’s all. …..naive I’m not I ran a 7B business before I retired at 52 last fall.

CodyBigdog

RE: “100% will be covered by insurance”

Who’s insurance? Let’s say, for example, ( just for discussion purposes), it is determined, after a thorough investigation that one of Porsches EV’s was the cause of the fire? Ground zero for the fire. Maybe they didn’t disconnect some electrical connection, that should have been disconnected prior to shipping? Then who’s at fault? If that was the conclusion of the investigation, no way the insurance pays out a dime to reimburse them for damaged products…. for a mistake Porsche made (if that is the case). Furthermore, if it was determined that Porsche’s negligence was the cause of the fire, they might also be on the hook to reimburse the owners of the shipping company.

When fires are involved, it’s a long process to determine who’s at fault. I suspect, when the smoke finally clears 😂 (see what I did there?), that this ends up costing Porsche more than simply bad PR.

Good time to be a lawyer.

remington

Porsche is not the loser here, the cars are insured for loss during shipping. The real losers here are the DEALERS. They are making record profits on every vehicle, they have no recourse for the loss of revenue on these allocations. I feel sorry for the dealers that had already banked the money on these allocations.

TXshaggy

Every car will be replaced…how are the dealers losing?

CodyBigdog

Without actually reading the insurance contract/policy, I’m not so sure? As the former owner of a high tech company, myself, I’ve never seen any insurance policy for my company, my employees, my home, cars, boat, etc, etc that waived any and all responsibilities I had as the owner. With ownership comes responsibilities. If the conclusion is that, through some negligence of the part of Porsche (their car, or employee, etc) that they were at fault, or even partially at fault for the fire, I don’t see too many insurance companies picking up the entire tab for reimbursement. Maybe car company insurance policies are different from what I am use do? Don’t know?

CodyBigdog

The SA’s don’t get paid until they deliver cars to customers. Are you suggesting there will be no delays in deliveries?

Maverick787

Ok, I will entertain this once 30B public company has to have insurance for catastrophic events and it’s deemed “no fault” Insurance will pay out, and your policy can sky rocket. Simple terms you burn your house down because of a faulty wire you didn’t fix ……your insurance will cover minus fault. Once they sift through 4000 burned cars have fun to say car X started the fire ……one could argue shipping company took possession of the property, and didn’t have the proper equipment to stop the fire? Again this could go adrift on speculation, but my only point to you was insurance will cover and it’s really about the customers in my mind not Porsche.

CodyBigdog

I have (and suspect neither does anybody here) no knowledge of maritime or international laws governing liability and indemnification on incidents that had a preventable cause, ie, not an “act of God” catastrophe, but a man-made catastrophe. But common sense, especially give the $$$ involved, the lawyers will point fingers towards the party responsible?