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and ironically I just received this update from Porsche on my Targa 4 GTS. Hopefully crew ok and feel bad for all those waiting for a car that may have been on board.
Well, for those of you wondering if the cars can be saved my lay-persons understanding of the laws of salvage is that once a vessel is abandoned, as this one has been, no permission is required for a 3rd party to salvage it. As in take it in tow for example. If that happens then a whole different set of rules come in to play, the ship and cargo effectively become the property of the person or persons salvaging it.
On the other hand even if the ship is saved VW will have a claim against the shippers, insurance will kick in etc. Either way the cargo is toast literally and figuratively. I very much doubt any of these cars will escape the crusher.
That’s sort of my understanding, as well. Every now and then a boat/yacht goes down, or abandoned during/after a storm, near where I live (Annapolis) and then salvage crews are brought in to raise it and then tow it into port. Expensive proposition, but the salvage company basically owns the boat once raised. That said, not sure if the same rules apply if a boat/ship is still seaworthy and just towed back to port? In that case, I’m sure the shipping/transport line would arrange to have it towed in to be evaluated?
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Speculation is just that, speculation. All we KNOW is that the vessel is on fire, or was on fire, it contains up to 4000 cars, of which about 800 are Porsches, and that it was abandoned by the crew and is adrift.
For all we know, the fire burned itself out/was contained to specific decks and other decks in the hold are untouched and many vehicles will still be delivered.
Or the ship might burn to the waterline, sink, and all gets delivered to Davy Jones.
Maritime salvage laws are interesting. Totally worthy of their own discussion.
0% chance that anything on this is ever delivered. Liability risk from the smoke, heat, etc, even IF something is apparently undamaged.
If anything makes it to shore, it will be scrapped.
No car on that boat will be delivered. They will all be scrapped if they don’t end up on the ocean floor.
This just happened to a carrier with P cars in 2019. Porsche even restarted GT2RS to make good on the orders.
If your car was on this boat, yes, you will be waiting a few more months, but these lost builds will get priority.
Sure, it sucks, but it’s been good to see that there have been no fatalities or serious injuries so far. That’s the important part. Porsche can make more cars.
No car on that boat will be delivered. They will all be scrapped if they don’t end up on the ocean floor.
This just happened to a carrier with P cars in 2019. Porsche even restarted GT2RS to make good on the orders.
If your car was on this boat, yes, you will be waiting a few more months, but these lost builds will get priority.
Sure, it sucks, but it’s been good to see that there have been no fatalities or serious injuries so far. That’s the important part. Porsche can make more cars.
Will Porsche do anything for the folks who lost their cars? I was thinking some sort of discount, an allowance for options or upgrades, or complimentary rental. And certainly moving them to the front of the line. Those would be nice gestures.
You can't know that. It's just more speculation based on limited facts.
Well yes, I can.
Consider the facts: the fire has raged for more than 24 hours at this point, the ship has been evacuated. Proper maritime procedure is entry 48 hours AFTER the last fire is extinguished, except in case of human life being at risk.
Consider the facts: the fire has raged for more than 24 hours at this point, the ship has been evacuated. Proper maritime procedure is entry 48 hours AFTER the last fire is extinguished, except in case of human life being at risk.
If you can find an example of a significant car carrier fire, with vehicles salvaged, let me know.
I'm not saying it isn't highly likely. But unless you have access to sources I don't, I'm not sure where you are getting your info that the fire is still "raging", or even burning at all. I'm just trying to caution about any kind of definitive statements like you made when we have a very small handful of actual verified info about what happened. I agree it doesn't look good. But let's wait until we have more facts before we start declaring things with absolute certainty.
I'm not saying it isn't highly likely. But unless you have access to sources I don't, I'm not sure where you are getting your info that the fire is still "raging", or even burning at all. I'm just trying to caution about any kind of definitive statements like you made when we have a very small handful of actual verified info about what happened. I agree it doesn't look good. But let's wait until we have more facts before we start declaring things with absolute certainty.
I agree on caution, but… the ship was on fire as of two hours ago, it’s full of combustible material, has been abandoned.
That is enough information to declare the cargo a total loss. Just the heat variable alone is enough to scrap the vehicles, lest some critical part have been damaged and give way on a family of 4 in a Cayenne two years from now in NY.
If it can be proven that the fire was a result of batteries igniting, it will make for an interesting liability case. Was it the manufacturer, ship builder or the shipper?
Besides, it’s irrelevant. The size and scale of the fire yesterday (look at videos from the helicopter rescue!) shows that it is quite extensive, and there are limited ship firefighting capabilities that could possibly have made it there even by today.
Besides, it’s irrelevant. The size and scale of the fire yesterday (look at videos from the helicopter rescue!) shows that it is quite extensive, and there are limited ship firefighting capabilities that could possibly have made it there even by today.
Agree. Some things are just obvious even if not explicitly stated. The ship being abandoned and adrift should be information enough that all cargo is lost except as possible scrap value.
Those who do not think this loss of transportation as a material loss to logistics I bet don't have cars sitting at Emdem or another manufacturer's port for a month or more as many of us on here do. Perhaps this carrier loss not having a material impact going forward will be the politically correct corporate line but that's about all it is worth in the real world for folks with actual vehicle orders of several brands.
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