CodyBigdog

RE: “Here is my take: Significant development went into the 4.0 and Porsche has stated that based on the 4.0's EU emissions compliance and ability to run on 3 cylinders, it will be used in models for years to come.”

Have a link for that? 👀


RE: “We know the 718 is going full electric around 2025. Porsche has stated that the 718 platform going electric is allowing for the 911 to remain 100% ICE for the rest of this decade (I believe that is the timeframe stated).”

We do?? Have a link for that? That said, if a car has turbo, its still ICE, and if that car also has electric, it’s now a hybrid, with ICE. My Prius is BOTH ICE as electric powered.

Tompoodie

Hell yes that sounds interesting!!

CodyBigdog

The key phrase here is, “fully electric”. It won’t be (at least for a while). But it will be hybrid.

March 2021 - https://www.auto123.com/en/news/porsche-911-combustion-engine-until-2030/67959/

“In an interview with Autoblog, company boss Oliver Blume said that “The 911 is our icon, and we will continue to build it with combustion engines, that is very clear. Staying true to tradition means keeping the flat-six alive.” What’s more, he added, even if Porsche wanted to turn the 911 into an electric car, it would not be an easy task after removing the engine. Let's face it, the architecture of this car is unique and it's all about balance, of which the combustion engine is a key part.

“The concept of the 911 doesn't allow a fully electric car, because we have the engine in the rear, and to put the weight of the battery in the rear, you wouldn't be able to drive the car. For this decade, I'm very clear: the 911 will be a combustion-engined car.”

- Oliver Blume, Porsche

Porsche does say it is considering going partially electric with the 911. The company is already working on that, by the way. Porsche is no stranger to hybridity, having already produced the 918 Spyder (2013-2015), and has models marrying electricity and combustion engine across its lineup. The company has already won the 24 Hours of Le Mans with a hybrid car, too.

sapman

I had a 981 GT4. I know the powerplant is different from a 718 GT4, but its character is quite similar. I quite like the 3l engine in the 992 Carrera. Plenty of grunt across the RPM range and I don't have to wring its neck to get the best out of it. For my use case, it is a lovely engine and well suited to its tasks. Horses for courses etc.

phow

Here is one of the links. I will have to try to find the other:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...uture-details/

It sounds like even hybrid is unlikely or at the very least, unlikely to be across the 911 line.

CodyBigdog

Hybrid is not “unlikely”. Get real.

Nobody said hybrid would be across the entire 911 line. That’s like saying one particular ICE engine will permeate the entire 911 line. That won’t happen. The turbo-ICE engine will be the mainstay of the 911 lineup, with hybrid introduced by 2025 as just another variant, just as the 4.0L NA ICE is another variant.

But you made the claim that the 911 would be “100% ICE until the end of the decade”. I think you will find in a few years, that statement to be wrong.

I see the 911 lineup (for the next 5-10 years) to have 3 variants: (1) Turbo ICE (already here), (2) NA ICE (already here) and (3) hybrid (TBD - 2025?)….and may the better approach win. But I have no doubt that while the NA ICE approach may win the purists vote, I believe either the turbo ICE or hybrid approaches will prevail. It’s hard to beat the instant torque from a start, that electric motors provide.

icanthelpit

emission mandates

phow

According to the link I provided "...we also gathered that it will be fundamentally detached from the 911—which, we learned, will retain its combustion engine beyond 2030 and may not even become hybridized".

Time will tell but unless you want to let me borrow your crystal ball, I'm going to go with these fairly reliable sources to base my assumptions on. Not that my assumptions make any difference or matter in any way lol.

UncleDude

it meets current emissions, the previous poster doesn’t understand why someone would want an atmospheric 911, which is an odd post to read on Rennlist. I remember reading threads here in 2017 when the 718 went turbo charged lol, what a difference a few years makes.

CodyBigdog

I can only go on what Porsche has not only stated, but is currently doing:

”Porsche does say it is considering going partially electric with the 911. The company is already working on that, by the way. Porsche is no stranger to hybridity, having already produced the 918 Spyder (2013-2015), and has models marrying electricity and combustion engine across its lineup. The company has already won the 24 Hours of Le Mans with a hybrid car, too.”

What the CEO explicitly states is that the 911 will not be 100% electric, as the size and weight of the required batteries would not allow a fit into the current, iconic 911 body. But he clearly infers that hybridization is under consideration…and in fact, is already happening. Neither of us knows what Porsche will do, with 100% certainty (which you seemed to state)….I’m simply going on what is stated from the mouth of the CEO and from the physics and evolution of automobile propulsion….and I’m not even bothering to mention Government emission mandates that will most definitely push all car manufacturers to pure EV or hybrid.

phow

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think any of it will happen this decade per my post.

CodyBigdog

It will happen this decade. They already have the technology, per the real world examples listed. This is no longer an abstract concept, but a reality. Increasingly, some of the fastest cars on the planet have been “electrified”…it’s a technology trend that Porsche can not afford to ignore if it wants to stay ahead of the competition…

As I see it, the issue will be how to fit things. It’s not a question of engineering or physics, but a question of logistics. Personally, if I was the lead engineer on this, I would sacrifice the rear seats.

detansinn

I don't have any issue with NA engines. I just don't understand the excitement around an engine that is less than what is in a 992 Base Carrera.
Put a GT3 engine in a 911 with back seats and you've got my attention.

The 718's problem is that they went 4cyl for the Chinese market and went out of their way to make it not sound like a Subaru.

CodyBigdog

I’m with you.

But if I may offer an example that may help explain…some people (the supposed purists crowd) say they prefer a manual, over the PDK…yet, the PDK is clearly faster. Performance advantage, PDK. I think it’s a visceral attraction rather than a logical one, as to why these people get a hard-on for NA, or in my example, a manual tranny?

Fcassells

”Jason Cammisa has entered the chat”. 😁

I for one welcome our turbocharged autoboxed assengined Overlords.