Ikone

I'm not doing any calculations or factoring. It's straight off Porsche's website. That's why I'm asking.

GeneTakovic

Amazing that some people don’t understand this.

Wilder

Got a link?

Ikone

LOL. I mean really? Click on Technical Specs button and look for the weights under 'Body'.

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/9...els/carrera-t/

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/9...odels/carrera/

stiff///M

#2 and 3 already ordered, #3 soon after arrival. ECU tune/exhaust valves ect after break-in

Wilder

I'm in Mexico. I'm asking for accuracy.

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. 100 lbs apart, most of which is explained by the transmission. What's strange is that everyone online is going by the same 3,241 lbs for a T with MT while everyone online, including R&T, Jalopnik, Edmunds etc publish 3,382, which makes more sense. Clearly something is off.

Ikone

@avid My apologies then. I thought you were messing with me. Anyway, this is why I'm bringing all this up. It doesn't make sense. The only way I can really make sense of it is that it is pure marketing of saving 16lbs.
In the end, it's the base carrera to get if you want a driver's car with a manual. That's why I would definitely spec it with RAS since you can't on the base. Anyway, my opinion. Still waiting on being enlightened on the 'back to basics' and 'the lightweight 911' thing.

Wilder

There has to be some logical explanation. I checked the Canada, Mexico and Germany sites and they all quote 1,470 for the T and 1,505 for the base (kgs). That's even less of a delta. And why would the media be quoting the correct weight for the T but consistently a different numbers for the base compared to the Porsche site? What the media is quoting for the base is what adds up and not what Porsche is quoting on their site. It's not just marketing. The sum of the parts is what matters and I've provided some napkin math above that seems to square off with the media quoted weight. Even though not by a big delta, the T is definitely lighter by more than just 15 lbs.

Ikone

I don't think there's much of a difference. If you don't include the rear seat delete then all you have is the lightweight battery, glass, and insulation. I think the publications are using numbers with various configurations (that they used for testing possibly).

Wilder

Porsche USA quotes 3354 lbs for the Base and 3254 lbs for the T. That's a 100 lb difference. Porsche Canada, Germany, and Mexico alone quote 1505 kgs (3318 lbs) for the Base and 1470 kgs (3241 lbs) for the T. That's a 77 lb difference. Where did the 23 lbs go? And why are the weight conversions wrong? This gives me pause and the media published numbers, which are consistent, are the ones that make sense. 77 lbs barely accounts for the transmission and 100 lbs doesn't account for the rear seats alone, never mind the battery, LWG etc. I understand you wanting to trust the Porsche published numbers but clearly they're wrong.

Ikone

@avid You used the manual numbers for the T and the base is PDK. The T in PDK would be 3,338 lbs.

Wilder

Like I said above...

Ikone

@avid Got it. Yeah, I don't know. That's why I brought this all up. I was hoping more people would chime in, but I'm guessing most have drunk the Kool Aid and can't explain it. . Kidding (somewhat) lol.

Wilder

Me too. It's weird. I've heard it in the past that the PDK weight around 80 lbs and just confirmed it again on a R&T article that mentions the difference is 84 lbs. Impossible then that the difference between the Base and the T are only the remaining 15 lbs from the 100 lb total delta unless the diff and SPASM are heavy and erase the gains from the glass, rear seats, and lighter carpet. We really just won't know until we get some of these cars on the scales.

Ikone

@avid 100% agreed. Let's get some of these on the scales.