rk-d

Again it's the ethos thing. "What is a sports car". It's not necessarily the fastest car around a track.

Traditionally a sports car has small proportions, driving focus with minimal concession to comfort and almost always 2 seats, though 911s are an exception. There have been long threads on here debating what a sports car really is. Everyone has a different idea.

The only thing modern cars have over the old ones, at least in street driving, is the motor and capability at the limits. Modern engines are just so much better than the air cooled engines. And driving on a track, modern cars just kill the old ones - the power, grip, braking, composure, safety and reliability are next level. But when driving on a street at 7/10, a properly set up air-cooled car is more engaging and alive feeling than any 911 short of a GT - and even then with better steering feel than the GT cars.

arrivederci

I think rk-d mostly answered this but I'll add a little more. Compared to modern cars, an '85 or '98 isn't particularly fast. In their time though they were relatively high performance. But at the same time they are very livable, usable, and compliant when just puttering around. Crank up the speed and they can be very rewarding to drive (even if not the fastest). The communicative steering, ability to rotate, intake noise, responsiveness, rawness and purity come out. Many modern cars feel more like driving in a video game. I think it would be really hard to say the same about air cooled 911s.

I don't expect a Carrera T to recreate this. And as others have said, I agree that building a totally stripped out T or adding a carbon roof with ti lug nuts won't make the car drive materially different. But those things may make one feel differently about the car which may be all that matters. RWS certainly will make the car drive differently. And I guess everyone has to ask themselves what they want out of this car. The idea shared above about a non-RWS car being more fun and more of a challenge has some merit. I'm leaning heavily towards RWS - trusting the Porsche engineers that it adds to the experience and makes it a better car. If they had offered the GT3 front suspension as an option through the 911 range, I'd probably add that too.

Porsch

This is another “Rennlist nerd” discussion, to use a term mentioned earlier in the thread. 99.9% of the general population considers a 911 a sports car, regardless of the variant.

tourenwagen

Check on availability. My sales guy just told me yesterday that it looks like Euro Delivery is full until Sept now. I had checked that box but looks like it's not an option for me

arrivederci

Guilty as charged...

Porsch

Many of us are. Just providing some perspective.

rk-d

Yep

When you are arguing which subvariant of 911 is a "true sports car" you've probably lost the plot (not to say anyone is saying that in this thread - but I've seen it before)

minn19

Obviously no, unless you are new to reading. I’ve also been a part of many other forums for quite a few different brands for years also.

I think that is what us non Porsche nerds are missing, a lot of us don’t see a new model. Instead we see a master class in marketing. This is what the base should’ve been and this is only an extension of that, adding in options that should’ve always been there plus a sprinkling of appearance packages for $$$. The only other time I saw this level of frenzy was when Ford announced the GT350 Heritage Edition, which was very expensive stickers, white paint, a blue Shelby badge and the Ford guys went nuts over it. Then most at BP laugh when BMW brings out their “new model” jahre editions…………///Marketing.

I’ll give it to the manufacturers, it usually works most of the time. The weird thing for Porsche is they didn’t need to do this. They can’t meet demand as it stands now and everyone knows they can’t get certain options from time to time on the existing lineup. I truly hope that those here are able to spec the car they like and get them in reasonable time frame without running into the parts shortage issues.

rokkerkory

Visiting the dealer over the weekend to spec out my T. Hoping things will go smooth.

KenTO

2 year wait list? Ugghh! I hope the economy collapses. There is a 992 Manual GT3 touring I have my eye on, dealer has it listed for over $400K (CDN). That's F car money. Hence why I ordered a T for a similar experience, a third of the price. I'm not gonna wait 2 years though, life is too short. I see a flood of good deals coming on in the next year or so, Fed keep raising those interest rates!

GeneTakovic

You hope the economy collapses so you can get better pricing on cars? WTF

GeneTakovic

Exciting stuff!

GeneTakovic

Great display. Your dealer is definitely cooler than mine.

Porsch

Are you concerned that certain options won’t be available? Good luck and hope you post your final spec.

Porsch

@Macboy - Some good points. I’m a RAS fan but I get where you’re coming from.