Originally Posted by tourenwagen

Like many in here, I've owned a 991T and a 992. I think Porsche is predictable enough that we can all pretty much assume what's it going to be like. While I understand @minn19 's point about how good the Cayman 4.0 is, I think there are shallow buyers like me that unfortunately see the 911 platform as being superior. Last counter-point is that I'm an aftermarket junkie and love the endless possibilities available for the 911 3.0T platform. For a few $k's I could get a T close to Turbo S performance if I wanted to. While I greatly respect the 4.0 motor and it's glorious sound, large amounts of money are needed to see even minimal gains. I'm not trying to convince anyone either way, just sating my thoughts on the Cayman vs. 911.

Originally Posted by rokkerkory

Going on a diet to save a few lbs on the T

Originally Posted by Porsch

Exactly. The PDK cars and other T’s where the builds didn’t make sense to potential buyers (often dealer builds). Seems like a lot of people don’t understand what really happened with the 991.2 T sales.

Originally Posted by Scott P

It's all hype obviously since no one here ( I believe) has actually driven one and certainly hasn't owned one. I'd say we are all guilty of regurgitating reviews' highs and lows and picking out our individual points to emphasize based on biases. It'll be interesting to see the real world comments once ownership and real world experiences kick in.

Originally Posted by Scott P

This! I've gotta get back to pre-Covid/busted up knee weight (20 pounds less than current).

Originally Posted by 6sigma

I am probably adding the PDLS+ for the dynamic headlights. I had that on my 991.2 T and really liked them. Totally not necessary but they are a nice upgrade and I think better lights improve driving. Hell, if my rear wheels are steering so should the headlights!

Originally Posted by bluelines1974

Even people’s real world experiences and reviews are very much tainted by preconceptions and external influences. Many who get the most lightweight T configuration will convince themselves they can tell the difference, when in a blind test they likely would not be able to do so. I can’t remember which YouTuber I saw who had been to a Porsche track event. Many attendees were talking about how great the RAS was on the track, but Porsche had actually been unable to provide cars with RAS for the day.

Everyone should get exactly the car they want, and if part of that experience is also convincing themselves their car is objectively better to drive because of a few undetectable pounds of weight savings, that’s also part of the fun.

Porsche is the main winner here, when the margin on all the add-ons is considered, but similarly none of us who get to play the game can complain about the level of privilege we have just to be on the other side of that trade!

Originally Posted by minn19

I was with you until the end. A S (even a gussied up one) is not a Lexus with a Porsche badge.

People are really downplaying the rear seat delete here, but Porsche really changed the dynamics and hurt T sales when they shoved the 4.0 in the Cayman/Boxsters. I had that exact situation come up when I bought my first Porsche. There was a very nice low mileage CPO 991.2 T, a CPO GT4 and a new CGTS 4.0 for sale, all MTs and had LWBS. I ended up going with the Cayman GTS 4.0 (I don’t track anymore or I would of gone GT4 as my second choice) as it didn’t make a lot of sense to me to get the T with the back seat delete and the 4.0 motor truly is a special motor. My CA confirmed that a lot of buyers think similarly and said management would be bummed because at that time they couldn’t get rid of the T in the “super duper special pure Ethos T spec.” Eventually someone bought it because they couldn’t get a Cayman 4.0 or GT4 allocation, this was the beginning of the madness we see today.

Allocations and availability aside, which I get factor into people’s decision making process………..the two best, lightest, pure and yes Ethos drivers cars in Porsche’s lineup are the Cayman 4.0 and GT4. That motor is truly special and IMO even the GT4 with the mid engine platform is closer to a baby GT3 than a 992 T. Those get one closer to the Porsche driving experience of old that supposedly everyone here craves. But hey, carry on, this thread is very entertaining and your money as they say!

Last, not saying the T isn’t a wonderful car, but man some of the hyperbole in here is interesting to read.

Originally Posted by 22992

I would love to see the results of a blind test drive (blindfold a passenger) put them in a base, S, t, GT3, GTS and Turbo and see if they can guess which is which. maybe some ear plus so they can't hear the exhaust, which would give it away.

Originally Posted by 22992

I would love to see the results of a blind test drive (blindfold a passenger) put them in a base, S, t, GT3, GTS and Turbo and see if they can guess which is which. maybe some ear plus so they can't hear the exhaust, which would give it away.

Originally Posted by Tompoodie

The only place where you would notice the difference is in competitive autocross.
Thousandths of a second are sometimes all that separates winners from losers.
Especially at a national level, a hundred pounds between two drivers of similar skill could make one competitive and the other not. (base vs manual T weight delta)
Perhaps even the 17 lbs or so difference between a base and Carrera T both with PDK could separate a winner from a loser.
4 lbs....don't think so.
Perhaps an experienced autocrosser could chime in here…

Originally Posted by Scotttes

Speaking of weight. (and i apologize if its being mentioned already) Do we know how much lighter the forged 5 spoke Carrera wheels are?