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This is what bothers me, they assemble in a week but sit on transports or docks for weeks/months! 😵💫
Edit: My was built in 4-4.5 days.
My car was delayed for three weeks and we suspect it might be because of the “bespoke center console lid” which is installed in the actual Exclusive Manfacktur department, whereas other Exclusive options are typically installed during assembly on the production line. There are not a lot of options on it and those that are, are allegedly not constrained
Mine was supposed to arrive just prior to Christmas now it is looking like mid January. I suppose it does not really matter as it will not see a whole lot of use during the winter months.
Last edited by RatherJaded; 11-21-2023 at 12:30 PM.
WOW, that is amazing, over 500 hp! I wonder what the life of the engine will be at 572 hp then. Same life as the GTS or a little shorter?
! I know the topic has come up, but we have all been mostly speculating, I wanted to let everyone know I had it confirmed from a very reliable source that they are exactly the same.
With no "stronger pistons, stronger block, or transmission casings, as some have thought. I have been trying to research it on my own before aking the mechanic but there its not much info on the actual engine, transmission or comparisons between the 992 Carrera line, which is why I decided to ask him.
I use this to find part numbers on my Mitsubishi's, then shop the part numbers through web suppliers etc..
It's not super straight forward but you can mine out some pretty good info. I was also looking for P/N differences between the trims to start planning out my upgrade strategy.
So far I have found they all use the same clutch and pressure plate. So no worries about needing to upgrade the clutch. I had heard that the dual mass flywheel is different between the models, but the P/N would suggest otherwise.
I have had what I have suspected all along, proven....
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We can nitpick the breaks, the rear helper springs/suspension, turbos, possible intercooler/radiator differences, but there is not much of a difference even between all these.
So for anyone who is and has been wondering what the difference is now you know. Not a single difference between the actual make up of all 3 engines and transmissions so go wild with your tuning and get those T numbers up to GTS if you so desire
You have glossed over the material difference (it's not a nitpick). The base/T, S and GTS have different sizes of turbos. There is not only a difference in tune, so you cannot turn a base/T engine into a GTS engine, even if you can tune it to be similar in HP to the factory-tuned GTS.
The turbo's on the S/GTS are bigger. On the exact same engine that means, slower transient response, Higher RPM until onset of boost, potentially less area under the curve. At the same HP level I'm pretty sure that is guaranteed less area under the curve.
So it's not as cut and dry as bigger turbo's are better. On the street, at the same HP level, I will take the smaller turbos.
Always wonder whether Indy shops with the software machines can tune, let’s say a T to an S version, given identical motors? 😉
Yes, that is pretty much a piece of cake. Once you can read and write to the ecu easily that is. Obviously you would need the turbo's or the tune wouldn't work correctly. Maybe some other gotcha's too, but anyone who specializes in the platform shouldn't have any problems.
The turbo's on the S/GTS are bigger. On the exact same engine that means, slower transient response, Higher RPM until onset of boost, potentially less area under the curve. At the same HP level I'm pretty sure that is guaranteed less area under the curve.
So it's not as cut and dry as bigger turbo's are better. On the street, at the same HP level, I will take the smaller turbos.
It all comes down to the use case. Which is why I think you see so many reviewers aren't phased at all by the less power output of the T. The actual amount of power they are getting at that moment when they put their foot down could be >= the bigger turbo variants.
It all comes down to the use case. Which is why I think you see so many reviewers aren't phased at all by the less power output of the T. The actual amount of power they are getting at that moment when they put their foot down could be >= the bigger turbo variants.
From the dyno sheets I've seen published (M Eng for instance), it looks like a stock S makes more power and torque anywhere above 3000-ish rpm than a stock base. The smaller turbos may spool faster but it doesn't appear they make more power.
A friendly FYI for those that do not have the Exclusive Design taillights and are considering replacing the third brake light with the clear unit à la the S/T. It appears to be a fairly simple swap.
From the dyno sheets I've seen published (M Eng for instance), it looks like a stock S makes more power and torque anywhere above 3000-ish rpm than a stock base. The smaller turbos may spool faster but it doesn't appear they make more power.
Base:
S:
This isn't showing transient response, both turbo's are making boost at the beginning of both graphs. Also, look at where TQ is at @2500RPM on both graphs. That's a big difference and you would for sure feel that driving around on the street.
The 911 "T"uned is almost 400tq @2500 where the Tuned "S" is only 300
11-21-2023, 11:34 AM
