GT3RS Allocation Thread
#1156
I never said MSRP dealers get more 911 or GT or RS allocations, they get more allocations. Again, talk to your dealership, nothing new here.
Last edited by 168glhs1986; 06-11-2023 at 10:43 AM.
#1157
MSRP dealers get more allocations then ADM dealerships, plain and simple. Don't take it from me, talk to your local dealership.
I never said MSRP dealers get more 911 or GT or RS allocations, they get more allocations. Again, talk to your dealership, nothing new here.
I never said MSRP dealers get more 911 or GT or RS allocations, they get more allocations. Again, talk to your dealership, nothing new here.
#1158
#1159
Excited to announce timelines on my MY24 Acid Green PTS is set for build in September with anticipated delivery of November.
Couldn't be more greatful for the staff at Riveroaks Porsche in Houston and dealing exclusively with David and Rob for this holy grail allocation. They gave me my first allocation spot which was a 2022 992 Turbo S back in late 2021 and then my 2023 GT4RS Allocation which I was able to luckily spec with WP and PCCBs and recently took delivery of. My relationship with this team quickly accelerated past what my original anticipated expectations were and personally being only 34 and having garages full of cars that I could not dream about years ago only became a reality through a relationship built on a mutually shared passion for this brand that brings power/ performance/ and most of all value back by design and heritage and frankly them knowing I drive and push all my cars beyond intent on a daily basis.
Take this as an example..... yes this is a collapsible ladder in the back of my GT4RS..... a good roofer never leaves home without one for a customer visit.
Couldn't be more greatful for the staff at Riveroaks Porsche in Houston and dealing exclusively with David and Rob for this holy grail allocation. They gave me my first allocation spot which was a 2022 992 Turbo S back in late 2021 and then my 2023 GT4RS Allocation which I was able to luckily spec with WP and PCCBs and recently took delivery of. My relationship with this team quickly accelerated past what my original anticipated expectations were and personally being only 34 and having garages full of cars that I could not dream about years ago only became a reality through a relationship built on a mutually shared passion for this brand that brings power/ performance/ and most of all value back by design and heritage and frankly them knowing I drive and push all my cars beyond intent on a daily basis.
Take this as an example..... yes this is a collapsible ladder in the back of my GT4RS..... a good roofer never leaves home without one for a customer visit.
Last edited by Justaroofer; 06-11-2023 at 03:13 PM.
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daveo4porsche (06-11-2023)
#1160
It's a way they play the system and PCNA is VERY aware of these tactics and will 100% be cracking down in time.
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168glhs1986 (06-11-2023)
#1161
He's talking allocations awarded based on sales volume and the "lists" those exact same dealers have are years deep. The thing is those exact same "msrp" dealers will almost instantly offer that buyer a buyback at "market value trade" and sell back to the public for "market value " which is essentially ADM plus market adjustment. Those same dealers are also the biggest problems of the market manipulation.
It's a way they play the system and PCNA is VERY aware of these tactics and will 100% be cracking down in time.
It's a way they play the system and PCNA is VERY aware of these tactics and will 100% be cracking down in time.
Almost as funny as all those folks predicting a recession in 5 months, some 6 months ago.
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168glhs1986 (06-11-2023)
#1162
Even VIP and very consistent GT spot buyers have been getting pressure due to flipping.
Last edited by Justaroofer; 06-11-2023 at 03:31 PM.
#1163
Some math:
The root cause is Porsche who have decided to keep supply well below demand, and that's their right. But the consequence of this decision is it turns a true driver's car into an investment market. Everything else including the dealers is just rational downstream economics.
-hyp
- Porsche has produced 4,500 to 4,900 3RS cars in the last two series (each over two years)
- Roughly 30% of these come to the US
- There are about 200 Porsche dealers in the US
- So each year, the median dealer will receive 3-4 allocations
- 918 legacy (300 in the US) takes maybe 10-20% of these, and Porsche VIPs some additional amount
- So each dealer has maybe 2-3 allocations that they can actually sell to you
The root cause is Porsche who have decided to keep supply well below demand, and that's their right. But the consequence of this decision is it turns a true driver's car into an investment market. Everything else including the dealers is just rational downstream economics.
-hyp
#1164
MSRP dealers get more allocations then ADM dealerships, plain and simple. Don't take it from me, talk to your local dealership.
I never said MSRP dealers get more 911 or GT or RS allocations, they get more allocations. Again, talk to your dealership, nothing new here.
I never said MSRP dealers get more 911 or GT or RS allocations, they get more allocations. Again, talk to your dealership, nothing new here.
larger dealers serving larger markets get more allocations. It’s that simple. The entire process of charging ADMs for buildable allocations on 911s, heck even Caymans and Boxsters, has been a recent phenomenon over last few years since Covid.
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BlazinPond (06-11-2023)
#1165
My good friend couldn't get a 911 GTS allocation. He was from Northern Cal. He went to a broker and brought a friend who wanted another GTS as well. Broker got them two GTS' from a Southern Cal dealer. The dealer at the time sold both cars for $25K over instead of $35K over which was the going rate at that time. The benefit to my friend and his was that they were able to source their cars. The benefit to the dealer was more customers they otherwise wouldn't have and they didn't have to deal directly with the customers. And, the broker made some money. This is just one example. There aren't a ton of brokers out there that I know of and I don't think any of them are getting rich either, but they wouldn't exist if it didn't make sense to all parties involved.
South Bay Porsche will go $10k over on GTS sitting on their lot.
brokers are no threat, it’s not a real business model.
#1166
well that makes perfect sense! Hilarious.
larger dealers serving larger markets get more allocations. It’s that simple. The entire process of charging ADMs for buildable allocations on 911s, heck even Caymans and Boxsters, has been a recent phenomenon over last few years since Covid.
larger dealers serving larger markets get more allocations. It’s that simple. The entire process of charging ADMs for buildable allocations on 911s, heck even Caymans and Boxsters, has been a recent phenomenon over last few years since Covid.
strategies differ for large vs small markets
small stores have historically struggled to grow local market once it becomes saturated.
so a small store selling cars over sticker to buyers in or outside of their local market will get less allocations.
small store selling at MSRP to their local buyers will get more allocations in this pound for pound comparison.
large market stores are different animal. they’ve been money printers for decades and the market is huge in Los Angeles, Newport Beach, and they will do whatever they want until Porsche creates a disincentive.
you won’t see an NFL stadium in Napa for this reason.
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#1170
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So if I get an MSRP allocation, I guess I need to take it. Even if I decide it's not the right car for me after tracking it, I can trade back to the dealer for more than I paid.