richardbf

Definitely not common but it does happen. Not quite in the same realm, but my first Porsche was a gt4 at sticker and dealt with none of the shenanigans. Same with my 991.2 GT3 and my incoming 3RS. I have found the key is to be a local in a not so hot market. We have a home in Seattle, Detroit, and Toronto areas. Folks in Seattle and Toronto won't even give me the time of day. (certainly doesn't help I look like a scrawny teen) I have not had this issue with my Detroit dealer. I have had to wait in line for the few special cars I bought. I have been told I am receiving the only 3RS for 2023 my dealer expects to get. Demand is strong and waits are long but I would advise those looking to try in the midwest. I feel for you guys living in LA, Miami, Atlanta, Etc... Must be near impossible.

richardbf

I'd love for them to put that revised 6.5L from the Purosangue in the Roma.... I dream of prices softening on second hand 812s lol

disden

help me understand this whole broker thing. Why do dealers give them allocations and why does Porsche allow it to happen? Why don’t dealers just take care of their customers rather then flip sought after allocations to brokers? I know it’s Money of course but still makes no sense.

cooler2442

Some dealers don't want to call clients around saying they need 100k+ for an allocation since that's market and receive negative PR so they would rather let a broker find a client or wholesale the allocation. A Los Angeles dealership just wholesaled 2 4RS allocations at 50k+ each to another dealer to not have to deal with it.

168glhs1986

Because MSRP dealers get more allocations. Pretty simple.

disden

cars to elaborate? Typically allocations based upon how many 911 units are moved

BlazinPond

Looking forward to his not so simple answer...

ipse dixit

Don't hold your breath.

I like you; hate to see something bad happen to you.

usctrojanGT3

Because they didn't want to sell to a good local customer for a lower price....just dumb.

richk

Its all not that simple...

some of these brokers have relationships with dealers...

also dealers got less allocations on 992RS

I wanted 992RS so I paid the ADM

Not sure if I am keeping or selling...I am leaning towards keeping it.

Almost all of deals go through Porsche Fresno because I find CJ to be fair and we are friends.

My second choice is Porsche Woodland Hills my friend Nick Bourbon is sales manager and great to work with.

disden

i also have a great relationship with my dealer, have been buying all my cars there for along time and as result get them all at MSRP. ( including 992 3RS).

I was just trying to understand what folks mean when they say brokers control an ever increasing part of the market, and why dealers would use them in this day when all allocations are waitlisted with local loyal customers and sold before they even drop. Just seems odd and frankly scummy.

poofyo101

you answered it yourself
because they want to be scummy and make more money
but they dont want to **** people off to their face
so they hide behind the broker. give up a little bit to make alot more without people knowing.
Likely so many dealers telling people oh no we didnt get any allocations for x model, but did receive them and just sold them elsewhere. has happened to me so you know this is happening all over.

hyperion

Some math:

• Porsche has produced 4,500 to 4,900 3RS cars in the last two series (each over two years)
• Roughly 30% of these come to the US
• There are about 200 Porsche dealers in the US
• So each year, the median dealer will receive 3-4 allocations
• 918 legacy (300 in the US) takes maybe 10-20% of these, and Porsche VIPs some additional amount
• So each dealer has maybe 2-3 allocations that they can actually sell to you

Based on conversations I've had with dealers, they usually quote numbers similar to this, 1-2 allocations for a small dealership and 3-6 for a big dealership. So if you're not a super important buyer for your dealer -- someone who helps consistently grow their business -- why would they give you an MSRP allocation when there are tons of people lining up to pay ADM and the second-hand market is selling at the same levels? Spend time on BaT if you don't think this is true.

The root cause is Porsche who have decided to keep supply well below demand, and that's their right. But the consequence of this decision is it turns a true driver's car into an investment market. Everything else including the dealers is just rational downstream economics.

-hyp

white6speed

If my math is correct (which I may be totally wrong). Based on the post below considering a 2 year model run and our 30% of the total WW the US MARKET would get about 705 cars per year. A pretty low window
the ‘19 production was 1462 for US with over 1100 having Weissach package. Somewhere math does not work and it may well be me but numbers for ‘19s is correct

Amir1

My good friend couldn't get a 911 GTS allocation. He was from Northern Cal. He went to a broker and brought a friend who wanted another GTS as well. Broker got them two GTS' from a Southern Cal dealer. The dealer at the time sold both cars for $25K over instead of $35K over which was the going rate at that time. The benefit to my friend and his was that they were able to source their cars. The benefit to the dealer was more customers they otherwise wouldn't have and they didn't have to deal directly with the customers. And, the broker made some money. This is just one example. There aren't a ton of brokers out there that I know of and I don't think any of them are getting rich either, but they wouldn't exist if it didn't make sense to all parties involved.