carcommander

I’’ve owned a 997 RS. It’s pretty raw. Not my favorite. I have a 991 2RS. My current favorite, but IMO not a daily. My 992 RS is not a daily either. It’s pretty raw.

usctrojanGT3

I don't think any of the RS cars are really dailies because they are bit over the top for that but the 991 and 992 GT3s, especially the Tourings would make for decent dailies. Heck, I've shown some homes in my 991.2 and 992.1 GT3s before.

pitt911

thanks, this is what I was looking for

jabwind51

Agree. Tourings (or 993s in my case) are the fun occasional track cars and nice weather cars. The wings are a little much for the street.

Even my 4RS is approaching more than I want in cost for car to track….!

obbob

To be honest I don't quite understand this idea of the 991 gen being raw while the 992 is digital. I've had a couple of 991 GT cars and recently a 992 GT3 (never driven a 992 RS). The 992 GT3 and 991.2 RS are far more similar than dissimilar. In fact, the 992 GT3 is louder on the inside and has more steering feel than the 991.2 GT3 RS.

Secondly, the second hand Porsche market does not seem to value "analog feel" or "rawness" as a major driver of value. They seem to gravitate towards rarity, unique objective traits (i.e. aircooled, hydraulic steering, Metzger) and historical storylines that aren't replicated in current production cars. Everything else has minor if any impact on market value. The hydraulic steering is a good example - even if, theoretically, Porsche releases an Electric Steering column that has better feel than the old gen's hydraulic steering, people will still value the hydraulic steering more on the second hand market. This means that they don't actually strongly value the steering feel, they value the fact that it's hydraulic.

Manifold

I find the experiential difference between 991.2 3RS and 992 GT3 to be pretty big, a full generational difference.

speed77

And I’m pretty sure the market sees value in “raw” and “analogue” point in case to current 991 pricing.

cosmos

I think and just my opinion that it’s a misunderstanding of correlation to causation. The market as a whole is moving upwards because Porsche pricing is moving upwards. If in 2025 the GT3RS has a 10% increase in pricing, that should tow the 991 upwards as well.

dixonk

“A rising tide raises all boats”-JFK

hyperion

I like the discussion where a car which features electric power steering, throttle-by wire, ABS, and automatic braking differential is considered 'analog'...and those are just the digital electronic systems that can't be turned off by the driver!

I'm fine with saying you like the feel of the 991.2 better than the 992.1, that's a preference and you're entitled to it. But if the word 'analog' is to have any meaning, let's start with a 1976 MFI G-body and work our way forward in time. Hell, the 911 didn't even have power steering until '89 and that was introduced to deal with the suspension geometry necessary for the newly-added ABS system. Maybe the 991.2 is 'more analog' than the 992 but that's like saying flowing lava is colder than molten steel. True, but they are both insanely hot.

All the 911's in the past decade are hopelessly digital, and that's an objective fact. And glorious to drive, too.

-hyp

Manifold

In the opinion of many, 991.2 looks and feels much more analog than 992. In that context, the 991.2 is described as analog rather than ‘hopelessly digital’.

smiles11

Neither car is analog. The only difference is the gauges & that is not what makes a car ‘analog’. A nice drive in my 71T is a quick reminder of that.

Never once have I felt my 991 touring to be any more or less ‘analog’ than my 992. That’s because neither are.

Manifold

A lot of confusing objective vs subjective in this discussion. The objective differences between these various cars, in terms of design and objective performance metrics, are there and are known. The subjective differences, by definition, will vary from one person to another. You can't argue that someone's subjective experience is not their subjective experience, on the basis of an argument about objective differences.

One person will say that double wishbones only subtly change the experience of the car, just an incremental evolutionary difference, while another person will say that double wishbones transform the experience of the car, a revolutionary difference. Neither person is wrong, because it's subjective.

And for that matter, a given person's subjective experience of a car can change from day to day, even hour to hour - perception is not stationary.

Justaroofer

Sadly the bulk majority of Rennlisters use words out of their correct context all to feel clever to the masses for approval they seek.

I want a mechanically connected monster, one I can feel the tires, hydraulic resistance, bump steer, lack of traction, and feel your butt cheeks clinch trying to hold on to it. All while not worrying about lights flashing and defueling.

No Porsche since the CGT will provide that.

smiles11

Maybe I should have stated, ‘in the opinion of many’ before my statement.

The 991 & 992 are far from being analog in the opinion of many.

They have nannies & sensors all over them. EPAS. ABS. TC. A/C. Cruise control. Power windows, etc… etc…

The fact is. 991 owners hang their hat on analog gauges as the reason behind their car being ‘analog’.

I love a nice analog gauge as much as the next guy, but also love the 992 shift lights. I also like physical buttons in the 991, but also like the cleaner look in the 992.

All of these are opinion & subjective, but the modern 911 is not analog. Objectively.