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You seem to have a chip on your shoulder ("just a roofer").
Higher education isn't just for making money. And back in my day, higher education wasn't expensive. And for some professions - doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. - you need higher education.
Damn right!! Preach it! There is no substitute...for higher education.
Damn right!! Preach it! There is no substitute...for higher education.
Of course, people can learn a lot in the real world and be happy and successful without higher education, but having disdain for higher education without having experienced any higher education is just wrong. To not experience rigorous higher education is to fall far short of experiencing human culture.
Of course, people can learn a lot in the real world and be happy and successful without higher education, but having disdain for higher education without having experienced any higher education is just wrong. To not experience rigorous higher education is to fall far short of experiencing human culture.
It is important to compliment higher education with real world experience to make the most of the higher education. I would have never been the head of accounting at a few companies before my realtor days had I not worked my way up from being a staff auditor coming out of college.
It is important to compliment higher education with real world experience to make the most of the higher education. I would have never been the head of accounting at a few companies before my realtor days had I not worked my way up from being a staff auditor coming out of college.
For sure, the best combo is rigorous academic education, task-specific training, and real-world practical experience. That's the mandatory path of pretty much all professionals.
It's not a coincidence that the best professionals were usually (not always) strong students in their higher education, and the strongest students in higher education are often those who go back school after gaining years of practical experience.
For sure, the best combo is rigorous academic education, task-specific training, and real-world practical experience. That's the mandatory path of pretty much all professionals.
It's not a coincidence that the best professionals were usually (not always) strong students in their higher education, and the strongest students in higher education are often those who go back school after gaining years of practical experience.
Yet most successful entrepreneurs, business owners, and actual trained skilled labor do such with no diploma from "higher education".
Lets just cut to it. Some glorify academia, while others choose to cut their own path. Everyone starts somewhere, and it's my take that those who need "higher education" (even though often equates to lower expectations depending of field of focus) tend to be less free minded.
Case and point, I just sued and won a small $190k case from a customer who attempted to breach a terms of service agreement (it was only a $50k job) which WAS NOT IN WRITING, which contract law in Texas doesnt need to be if agreement is mutually implied. He was an established professional in corporate telecom with his MBA. He's just as cocky at the next that thinks they know better than someone they see as being below them because of academia. So I do what I do call up one of my many lawyers and have fun making an example out of them.
I prefer the Jay-Z or Doc Dre approach to things. Find a way to exploit the system and explore all possibilities using big picture thinking and not myopic minded views which is what academia trains.
The public school system by design is there to limit an individuals long term potential by teaching "respect authority", "do as I say", "don't take risks", "show your work", and on and on and that's largely to the credit of big business such as the Rockefellers which I'm sure any here know, but let's not forget.... Invested Billions in his time in public schools all in the name of:
Last edited by Justaroofer; 06-19-2023 at 01:29 AM.
It's not a coincidence that the best professionals were usually (not always) strong students in their higher education, and the strongest students in higher education are often those who go back school after gaining years of practical experience.
This is super true, my best middle managers got MBA’s and now make $200k/yr - great students
but wtf do I know
I’m just a college dropout that signs their checks
Last edited by User 81423; 06-19-2023 at 01:33 AM.
Yet most successful entrepreneurs, business owners, and actual trained skilled labor do such with no diploma from "higher education".
Lets just cut to it. Some glorify academia, while others choose to cut their own path. Everyone starts somewhere, and it's my take that those who need "higher education" (even though often equates to lower expectations depending of field of focus) tend to be less free minded.
Case and point, I just sued and won a small $190k case from a customer who attempted to breach a terms of service agreement (it was only a $50k job) which WAS NOT IN WRITING, which contract law in Texas doesnt need to be if agreement is mutually implied. He was an established professional in corporate telecom with his MBA. He's just as cocky at the next that thinks they know better than someone they see as being below them because of academia. So I do what I do call up one of my many lawyers and have fun making an example out of them.
I prefer the Jay-Z or Doc Dre approach to things. Find a way to exploit the system and explore all possibilities using big picture thinking and not myopic minded views which is what academia trains.
The public school system by design is there to limit an individuals long term potential by teaching "respect authority", "do as I say", "don't take risks", "show your work", and on and on and that's largely to the credit of big business such as the Rockefellers which I'm sure any here know, but let's not forget.... Invested Billions in his time in public schools all in the name of:
We’re talking about higher education, which is VERY different from K-12. Take some college philosophy classes, it’s the opposite of fostering a myopic view. You don’t really know what academia trains because you have no experience with it.
By the way, while I’m well educated (more than 200 college credits), I’m not an academic, I own an engineering firm and am a practicing engineer. But I generally have a lot of respect for academics, and have benefited from applying academic research to engineering practice. Being (just) a roofer, I suppose you’ll now take a dig at engineers …
We’re talking about higher education, which is VERY different from K-12. Take some college philosophy classes, it’s the opposite of fostering a myopic view. You don’t really know what academia trains because you have no experience with it.
By the way, while I’m well educated (more than 200 college credits), I’m not an academic, I own an engineering firm and am a practicing engineer. But I generally have a lot of respect for academics, and have benefited from applying academic research to engineering practice. Being (just) a roofer, I suppose you’ll now take a dig at engineers …
but mr roofer sir, you had to use higher education indirectly by hiring lawyers...just pointing that out.
a lot of us will rely on specialists like engineers and lawyers or specific medical degree educated people to keep our butts in the driver seat and not in the morgue.
I'm a college dropout. I got more out of reading books and studying subjects in my spare time and it fits my learning style to read a lot. My specific skills were financially lucrative for a long time. Along the way I started and sold some small companies as well, since I'm a workaholic. I even designed a house (and built it) that got into Architectural Digest, and wrote a short industry book.
Some people are financially successful due to specialization that only occurs in a workplace over time. Generally- those people are very relatable and develop great social skills. People with 110 IQ's can out earn 130 IQ's. People with 140 IQ's can outmaneuver both of them but generally the tallest one with the nicest smile gets the best looking girls regardless of IQ. The world is a big place with a lot of niches and the happiest people tend to find theirs early and hang onto it. Some people are just harder workers and cannot see the reason other people go on vacation. We're all different.
"general" higher education is a big waste of money.
"specific" higher education is a great investment (DR, Engineer, etc)
I am a Proof of Work advocate. This can be taken multiple ways but the bottom line is that the best and most in tune businesses, people, ideas, etc succeed.
There is no final rule for everyone except: An RS is an RS. And if you aren't sure if a GT3 is for you, go get a Turbo S.
but mr roofer sir, you had to use higher education indirectly by hiring lawyers...just pointing that out.
a lot of us will rely on specialists like engineers and lawyers or specific medical degree educated people to keep our butts in the driver seat and not in the morgue.
I'm a college dropout. I got more out of reading books and studying subjects in my spare time and it fits my learning style to read a lot. My specific skills were financially lucrative for a long time. Along the way I started and sold some small companies as well, since I'm a workaholic. I even designed a house (and built it) that got into Architectural Digest, and wrote a short industry book.
Some people are financially successful due to specialization that only occurs in a workplace over time. Generally- those people are very relatable and develop great social skills. People with 110 IQ's can out earn 130 IQ's. People with 140 IQ's can outmaneuver both of them but generally the tallest one with the nicest smile gets the best looking girls regardless of IQ. The world is a big place with a lot of niches and the happiest people tend to find theirs early and hang onto it. Some people are just harder workers and cannot see the reason other people go on vacation. We're all different.
"general" higher education is a big waste of money.
"specific" higher education is a great investment (DR, Engineer, etc)
I am a Proof of Work advocate. This can be taken multiple ways but the bottom line is that the best and most in tune businesses, people, ideas, etc succeed.
There is no final rule for everyone except: An RS is an RS. And if you aren't sure if a GT3 is for you, go get a Turbo S.
Excellent post!
You had something MUCH better to do than finish college, as did Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc.
My observations on IQ are the same as yours. People skills are really important in almost all careers. Above average IQ is good, and is necessary in highly analytical fields like math and physics. But even in science, research shows that, while an IQ of about 125 is necessary to be a good research scientist, there isn’t much advantage to having an IQ higher than that, and instead it’s the work ethic that makes the difference. I too have seen that too high of an IQ can often be a detriment - those people can get lost in their ideas and not be motivated to work hard and grind, and they often lack people skills.
Specific higher education is absolutely mandatory for some fields. The Porsches we all love were designed by engineers who are rigorously educated in the relevant sciences, engineering mechanics, math, etc.
I would say that general higher education is worthwhile for intellectual development, but not a great financial investment if paying a high tuition and getting a degree that doesn’t lead to a strong career path. People aren’t going to be knocking on your door offering you a lucrative job just because you got a BA in history from Berkeley or even Stanford or Harvard. As you note, a motivated person can attain general education via books, and nowadays also videos.
Regarding those Porsches, you may need to psychoanalyze me! I’m trading in my 991 GT3 for my first RS this week (991 3RS), 992 GT3 coming in August, and have 991 and 992 TTS. But I assert that it all makes sense because wife and and I both like cars and track, GT cars are for the track, and the turbos are mainly for the road, and want two turbos because they’re different by a whole generation.
06-16-2023, 11:23 PM
