GT3RS Allocation Thread
#2026
Yep, allocations dropped. Lucky to get one.
#2027
Sort of makes my point, right? Even squeezing 25bhp more out of that motor isn't going to do too much for lap times. Like Manifold said, where else can they go to put a gap between the .1 and .2 for this gen? It has to be more power and it's just not there if they keep that motor. I know nothing about engineering but hypothetically if they could add a ~40-50bhp, 30-50lb battery to the .1 that seems like a winning recipe. Don't lose the sound, add low end torque, add top end power, add very little weight. Again, no idea how difficult that would be to do
#2028
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992.2GT3RS 4.0 NA + electric?
992 GT2RS is 4.0 + electric Turbo?
I've no clue but seems plausible.
For me, the current RS seems ideal, the last thing I want is more power.
Perhaps the GT3 is better suited for occasional DE's because lighter and simpler. And frunk.
992 GT2RS is 4.0 + electric Turbo?
I've no clue but seems plausible.
For me, the current RS seems ideal, the last thing I want is more power.
Perhaps the GT3 is better suited for occasional DE's because lighter and simpler. And frunk.
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#2029
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You can look at Ring lap times to glean what the 992.2 GT3/RS will bring us.
If 992.2 GT3 RS stays NA, is there enough juice to be squeezed from the 4.0L to set a better lap time from the 992.1 GT3 RS and the 992.1 GT3 RS MR? If not, then we're looking at either some sort of mild hybrid or (gulp) forced induction.
4.2L is not happening.
If 992.2 GT3 RS stays NA, is there enough juice to be squeezed from the 4.0L to set a better lap time from the 992.1 GT3 RS and the 992.1 GT3 RS MR? If not, then we're looking at either some sort of mild hybrid or (gulp) forced induction.
4.2L is not happening.
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daveo4porsche (11-09-2023)
#2030
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You can look at Ring lap times to glean what the 992.2 GT3/RS will bring us.
If 992.2 GT3 RS stays NA, is there enough juice to be squeezed from the 4.0L to set a better lap time from the 992.1 GT3 RS and the 992.1 GT3 RS MR? If not, then we're looking at either some sort of mild hybrid or (gulp) forced induction.
4.2L is not happening.
If 992.2 GT3 RS stays NA, is there enough juice to be squeezed from the 4.0L to set a better lap time from the 992.1 GT3 RS and the 992.1 GT3 RS MR? If not, then we're looking at either some sort of mild hybrid or (gulp) forced induction.
4.2L is not happening.
they've already gotten rid of the frunk - re-work the front radiator and there is room for a small battery with regenerative braking/KERS (like 919 and 997 hybrid) and a "boost" electric motor(s)- would get them 750-900 total horse power w/4.0 535 HP NA flat 6…weight penalty will be minimal and the performance will over come objections - with the EV front axel motor(s) and clever REGEN/KERS+software and no race/competition restrictions since it's a street car performance will equal ring times (or only slightly less) than the 992 GT2 RS - combination of more power and excessive areo downforce with KERS/REGN and EV boost will make the 992 GT3 RS a potent track weapon and address lack of power concerns holding back the current gen 992.1 GT3 RS…Porsche has all the existing tools in their tool box - the EV angle won't hurt them on the emissions front either and expect some clever boost in MPG and CO2 grams/mile when in "cruise" mode to lessen their total emissions fleet numbers…
Porsche will pull design and performance from their existing 919 Hybrid Leman's car - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_919_Hybrid
look to the 997 hybrid and 919 for what porsche will do next - no pesky weight/restrictor penalties on a street car…
997 GT3 R Hybrid 2010–2011 The 997 GT3 R Hybrid made its debut at the 2010 Geneva Motor Show. The hybrid technology featured in the car was developed by the Williams F1 Teamand is based on their F1 kinetic energy recovery system (KERS) which they did not race in 2009.[86] Unlike other KERS that were developed for F1, the Williams system is based on using kinetic energy stored in a flywheel rather than batteries. The GT3-R has two electric motors, both developing a total output of at least 163 kW (222 PS; 219 hp), driving the front wheels to supplement the 373 kW (507 PS; 500 hp) 4.0-litre flat-six engine at the rear.[87] …it won its first VLN race.[91] At the 2011 24 Hours of Nurburgring, weight/restrictor penalties as well as technical difficulties prevented the R Hybrid from climbing higher than 28th place. The car also ran as an unclassified car at the 2011 American Le Mans Series at Monterey event; despite starting from last place, it finished ahead of all the other GT cars and also performed the fastest GT lap of the race.[[i]citation needed]
997 GT3 R Hybrid 2010–2011 The 997 GT3 R Hybrid made its debut at the 2010 Geneva Motor Show. The hybrid technology featured in the car was developed by the Williams F1 Teamand is based on their F1 kinetic energy recovery system (KERS) which they did not race in 2009.[86] Unlike other KERS that were developed for F1, the Williams system is based on using kinetic energy stored in a flywheel rather than batteries. The GT3-R has two electric motors, both developing a total output of at least 163 kW (222 PS; 219 hp), driving the front wheels to supplement the 373 kW (507 PS; 500 hp) 4.0-litre flat-six engine at the rear.[87] …it won its first VLN race.[91] At the 2011 24 Hours of Nurburgring, weight/restrictor penalties as well as technical difficulties prevented the R Hybrid from climbing higher than 28th place. The car also ran as an unclassified car at the 2011 American Le Mans Series at Monterey event; despite starting from last place, it finished ahead of all the other GT cars and also performed the fastest GT lap of the race.[[i]citation needed]
Performance will be impressive and taught with further suspension refinements and additional aero improvements - the EV motor(s) will provide an "emissions" free way of adding power to the existing emissions-approved 4.0L flat six - and not take away exhaust note, NA performance/characteristics - and the weight of the EV motor's very very small battery will be well distributed and minimal - I foresee no more than a large America passenger in terms of "added" weight with performance numbers enticing enough to more than offset any changes…
car will be lust worthy, a little more tech, clever software + aero + hybrid management - and run laps and lap times like a SOB…
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#2031
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GT allocations are for the entire calendar year, all at once. If you did not get the call, you're either not getting a car (sorry) or they are trying to decide who gets what they got allocated and do not have as many as they wanted to get. I know that every dealer I have spoken with wishes they got a few more of all the GT cars. This is like farmers asking for more rain to grow the trees
#2032
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180-320 HP EV motor on the front axel which will help pull it off the apex and provide "boost" down long straights - very very limited battery (less than 4 kWh) - not quite a PHEV setup (no plug-in charging support) - pure boost assist - but enough extra juice to provide the necessary ommmph and impressive 0-60 (sub 2.7 seconds) and get them another 8 seconds of ring time with aero - full hybrid will come with 994
they've already gotten rid of the frunk - re-work the front radiator and there is room for a small battery with regenerative braking/KERS (like 919 and 997 hybrid) and a "boost" electric motor(s)- would get them 750-900 total horse power w/4.0 535 HP NA flat 6…weight penalty will be minimal and the performance will over come objections - with the EV front axel motor(s) and clever REGEN/KERS+software and no race/competition restrictions since it's a street car performance will equal ring times (or only slightly less) than the 992 GT2 RS - combination of more power and excessive areo downforce with KERS/REGN and EV boost will make the 992 GT3 RS a potent track weapon and address lack of power concerns holding back the current gen 992.1 GT3 RS…Porsche has all the existing tools in their tool box - the EV angle won't hurt them on the emissions front either and expect some clever boost in MPG and CO2 grams/mile when in "cruise" mode to lessen their total emissions fleet numbers…
Porsche will pull design and performance from their existing 919 Hybrid Leman's car - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_919_Hybrid
look to the 997 hybrid and 919 for what porsche will do next - no pesky weight/restrictor penalties on a street car…
they've already gotten rid of the frunk - re-work the front radiator and there is room for a small battery with regenerative braking/KERS (like 919 and 997 hybrid) and a "boost" electric motor(s)- would get them 750-900 total horse power w/4.0 535 HP NA flat 6…weight penalty will be minimal and the performance will over come objections - with the EV front axel motor(s) and clever REGEN/KERS+software and no race/competition restrictions since it's a street car performance will equal ring times (or only slightly less) than the 992 GT2 RS - combination of more power and excessive areo downforce with KERS/REGN and EV boost will make the 992 GT3 RS a potent track weapon and address lack of power concerns holding back the current gen 992.1 GT3 RS…Porsche has all the existing tools in their tool box - the EV angle won't hurt them on the emissions front either and expect some clever boost in MPG and CO2 grams/mile when in "cruise" mode to lessen their total emissions fleet numbers…
Porsche will pull design and performance from their existing 919 Hybrid Leman's car - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_919_Hybrid
look to the 997 hybrid and 919 for what porsche will do next - no pesky weight/restrictor penalties on a street car…
And don't forget, the rest of the 992.2 911 lineup is adopting some sort of hybrid/EV powertrain.
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#2033
That opportunity doesn't exist for the .2 RS over the .1
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#2034
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Only 1462 ‘19 GT3RS were imported for ‘19 model year. 63% were Weissach package. This car was only made 1 year. It performs very close to 992.1 and at this point seem to be around 50% of 992.1. It would seem at this point a good car would be a safe purchase.
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#2036
Did anyone get a PTS allocation with this new GT3RS allocation batch?
#2037
There is no such thing as a “PTS allocation”. PTS is first come first serve by month based on when you put in the option request assuming your build date is sufficiently in the future for the necessary lead time.
#2038
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Apart from other platform differences, the aero enhancements on the current 992 GT3RS are unique and affect performance and handling.
#2039
This may be true but differs to the communication I received. May indeed be the case but at least my dealer only received allocations that were not PTS available. Or at least I was told…
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