dave2020

the beauty of 25+ 911 variants is that one person's compromise is another's refinement. but to answer your question, YES, i hope it continues to be a GT product proper... hybrid or not.

GrantG

Fair enough. Another concern is whether Porsche will make the unusual engineering effort to design a hybrid that will include a manual gearbox option…

dave2020

🤞🤞🤞

white6speed

My guess is NO. The US is their only real manual market. The hybrid motor was designed to attach to the PDK which was done a couple of years ago.

Greek Car Geek

4 years ago iirc - they borrowed the 8-speed PDK from the Panamera because it had the requisite space to include an electric motor. Every PDK-equipped 992 since release (2020) has a void in the PDK gearbox that only exists to house an electric (hybrid) motor in the future. Given that packaging on modern cars is tight, every square inch of space is prime real-estate, so it doesn’t make sense to me that they’d tip-toe into hybridization as some media outlets are suggesting, with a single hybrid model in the 911 line up to test the waters. I doubt they’ll put the considerable effort into developing a manual hybrid gearbox. Seeing as the S/T was merely a change to the final drive ratio, and that was the anniversary manual only model, I just don’t think Porsche is willing to invest in manual.

GrantG

You may be right, but the Manual could be redesigned similarly to include a space for an electric motor. And I imagine the software challenges would be significant as well. It’s just a matter of the available budget and the strength of the manual GT market demand.

Maybe it would be added a half generation later, like for the 991.2 Manual…

dave2020

The public outcry would have to be there as it was for the 991 for that to happen.

GrantG

I’m crying as loudly as I can

usctrojanGT3

What are you talking about...of course they'll build a 992.2 GT3RS and it'll be better than the 992.1 GT3RS.

AlexCeres

if the EV motor is attached to the crank like the 296 and artura, then there really aren’t any technical challenges to having a manual clutch. “It’s just money” If the EV motor is slapped onto the front axel for enforced awd, then it’s not apparent that would ever support a manual.

AlexCeres

I also struggle to see why this wouldn’t be an LE. They can’t even fill demand for gt3rs+ST as it is. Why make a new trim and then sell it to the riff raff ?

GrantG

I think the latter (fwd) approach may be used for some AWD models, but for RWD models, the electric motor seems to located inside the gearbox (not on the crankshaft before the gearbox).

What irony that the approach used by Ferrari and McLaren is so suitable for a Manual, but will never be used that way

Nick

If according to Porsche's CEO going forward the US market will be their biggest market it would make sense to have a manual hybrid GT car. I just don't know the technical difficulties in making that happen.

GrantG

I’m not even sure that the US regulations would require hybrid. I think Porsche could continue to make NA-only manual cars for US market, if they wanted to…

Might make Euro Delivery challenging though…

Justaroofer

Porsche is currently at its peak. As the corporate agenda heads away from Motorsport to exclusivity the trade off will be mechanical for tech. They have to cater to politics and the masses. Plus they're fixing to tap I to the 7 seater market..... something they said they'd never do.

https:/www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/362754/porsche-k1-super-cayenne-7-seater-spied-early-prototype-form