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Old 04-09-2024, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
Interesting.
And excellent point!
The EU emission rules of street and track are different.

The 4.0l is being castrated. Not speculation and theres a reason the ST is their grand finale of sorts. (Albeit a bottle rocket rather than cannons)
Old 04-09-2024, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KSAF
The 4.0L NA engine will remain in the 992.2 GT3/RS. I know this because the engine is homologated for the GT3 Cup cars until 2028. The question is, will the 992.2 GT3 RS use a mild hybrid setup with the 4.0L NA engine or not.

The info I have is after 2028 the GT3 and GT3 Cup car will have a 4 cylinder turbo engine with hybrid system!
Yeah, I feel the next generation of GT cars (994 or whatever number they pick) will not be NA.
Old 04-09-2024, 01:03 PM
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Porsche knows the popularity of their GT cars is due to NA motor, so they will continue making it as long as regulations allow. The breaking point will be when EU emissions make it impossible, but as we have seen with GT4 RS they have been able to skirt regulations due to limited numbers produced. I have no insider info, but would be shocked if 992.2 GT3 doesn’t continue with NA 4.0. the fascinating thing will be how the new 3.6 NA with hybrid performs, it might be a game changer with the added low end torque.
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Old 04-09-2024, 08:39 PM
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What are the chances we'll see the GT3 R's 4.2L in production (ever)?
Would be a huge bummer to only ever see that on the track in the GT3 R (and R rennsport in theory).
Old 04-10-2024, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by disden
Porsche knows the popularity of their GT cars is due to NA motor, so they will continue making it as long as regulations allow. The breaking point will be when EU emissions make it impossible, but as we have seen with GT4 RS they have been able to skirt regulations due to limited numbers produced. I have no insider info, but would be shocked if 992.2 GT3 doesn’t continue with NA 4.0. the fascinating thing will be how the new 3.6 NA with hybrid performs, it might be a game changer with the added low end torque.
I've heard from a credible source who knows about line up of cars for next 18 months or so that 992.2 gt3 will be launched late this year or early next year. Approx 1500-2000 cars will be built with 4.0l from 3RS for worldwide market, then a 992.2.1 GT3 will be launched by end 2025 with 3.6l hybrid.

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Old 04-10-2024, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gtdriver1
I've heard from a credible source who knows about line up of cars for next 18 months or so that 992.2 gt3 will be launched late this year or early next year. Approx 1500-2000 cars will be built with 4.0l from 3RS for worldwide market, then a 992.2.2 GT3 will be launched by end 2025 with 3.6l hybrid.
honestly makes no sense changing the car mid cycle, that has never been done. If true, suspect those 1500-2000 4.0s would be for the next limited edition car (Speedster?)
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Old 04-10-2024, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by disden
honestly makes no sense changing the car mid cycle, that has never been done. If true, suspect those 1500-2000 4.0s would be for the next limited edition car (Speedster?)
It has been done before for Europe. The 991.2 3RS was changed to 991.2.1 to include GPF after intial run of cars!
Old 04-10-2024, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gtdriver1
I've heard from a credible source who knows about line up of cars for next 18 months or so that 992.2 gt3 will be launched late this year or early next year. Approx 1500-2000 cars will be built with 4.0l from 3RS for worldwide market, then a 992.2.1 GT3 will be launched by end 2025 with 3.6l hybrid.
Basically same I've been told.
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Trying to make sense of this new information. If it is true about the 992GT3.2, does that mean there will NOT be a 992 GT3RS.2?
Old 04-10-2024, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick
Trying to make sense of this new information. If it is true about the 992GT3.2, does that mean there will NOT be a 992 GT3RS.2?
No, it doesn't mean that. It could mean the next RS is more likely to have hybrid power though...
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Originally Posted by Nick
Trying to make sense of this new information. If it is true about the 992GT3.2, does that mean there will NOT be a 992 GT3RS.2?
It would make n9 financial sense fo4 Porsche to have a 992.2 RS. Especially since orders have been so backlogged.
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Originally Posted by gtdriver1
It has been done before for Europe. The 991.2 3RS was changed to 991.2.1 to include GPF after intial run of cars!
Exactly, included both OPF and ITB's (and informally called 991.3 RS)...
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Originally Posted by disden
Porsche knows the popularity of their GT cars is due to NA motor, so they will continue making it as long as regulations allow. The breaking point will be when EU emissions make it impossible, but as we have seen with GT4 RS they have been able to skirt regulations due to limited numbers produced. I have no insider info, but would be shocked if 992.2 GT3 doesn’t continue with NA 4.0. the fascinating thing will be how the new 3.6 NA with hybrid performs, it might be a game changer with the added low end torque.
I have no doubt that the objective performance of a 3.6L NA plus hybrid will be impressive. My big question is whether cost-cutting will be manifested in how the 3.6L is made. Will it continue to be the highest quality (and most expensive) version of a Motorsports engine with things like hollow crankshaft, titanium conrods, true dry sump with separate oil tank, racing valvetrain without hydraulics that never needs adjustment??

Or will it be a compromised modular approach that shares basic architecture with the next GTS and Turbo (that are also rumored to share 3.6L displacement)?

If it's the real-deal Motorsports effort, I'd expect 10k redline. If it's more compromised wet sump with conventional valvetrain, we would likely see redline lower than today's 9k...

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Old 04-10-2024, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
I have no doubt that the objective performance of a 3.6L NA plus hybrid will be impressive. My big question is whether cost-cutting will be manifested in how the 3.6L is made. Will it continue to be the highest quality (and most expensive) version of a Motorsports engine with things like hollow crankshaft, titanium conrods, true dry sump with separate oil tank, racing valvetrain without hydraulics that never needs adjustment??

Or will it be a compromised modular approach that shares basic architecture with the next GTS and Turbo (that are also rumored to share 3.6L displacement)?

If it's the real-deal Motorsports effort, I'd expect 10k redline. If it's more compromised wet sump with conventional valvetrain, we would likely see redline lower than today's 9k...
so, basically... will porsche continue to be porsche or do we all call it a day
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Originally Posted by dave2020
so, basically... will porsche continue to be porsche or do we all call it a day
Well, they’ve been making highly compromised Porsches for 25 years. I think you meant “Will it continue to be a GT3?”


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