Originally Posted by disden

i think you are missing the entire purpose of this car. It’s not a cruiser, it’s not a grocery getter or a daily driver. It was purposefully made to be the most involving and emotional of a driving experience that Porsche can create under the current legal restrictions. They have always said it’s a car specifically made take out on that fun weekend drive, so it will be loud and raw, they wanted it to be an experience, a car to get out of smiling and want more. Oddly with your penchant for cars that are similarly brutal like Viper it’s rather surprising the S/T doesn’t appeal to you.

I had a 992 GT3 for 2 years, I rarely drove it on the street because it was quite honestly miserable on any road surfaces that weren’t glass smooth, and in Indiana we don’t have those. As I have posted from the day I bought it, it was spectacular on the track but ho hum on the street because the front end was ridiculously nervous, the car moved constantly all over the road and after awhile was simply annoying to drive. 992 GT3 Touring in my opinion with the same setup therefor completely missed the mark. The new suspension setup can’t be appreciated until on track, so driving to the store is a fun experience, but it’s not like driving a Turbo S which is like relaxing in your living room in comparison. The steering continues to feel lighter and lighter, and while direct and accurate and not Ferrari video game light, is not as enjoyable as older Porsches which felt more genuine in the sensations given. the biggest draw for a Touring is therefor its NA and manual…cool, we should be thrilled Porsche makes these still and get them while we can. What I am getting at however, is that it’s not some soft cruiser that will whisk you serenely to work in comfort/quiet. The 992 GT3 Touring is still a GT3, so it’s Emotional and loud, still an experience. But as I have said from day 1, Porsche should have softened the suspension on the Touring and dialed back the steering involvement somehow because as delivered it’s a car that misses the mark for a Tourer car. As a weekend fun car, bang on. You have a Turbo S, that’s the calm cruiser.

so my hopes with the S/T, and I will find out soon, is that Porsche fixed the suspension and steering which annoyed the crap out of me on the public roads, which sounds like they did. And that they simultaneously cranked up the loudness, rawness, driving experience that makes it a purely unique driving experience… again which it sounds like they did. My hope was for a raw, emotional special car that tingles the senses for those special drives, all with a manual NA motor and styled so one won’t look like a Putz with a wild color and wings…so for what I want in a car it seems like they hit the mark. So it’s a matter of whether you understand the point of the car or not. I have an EV for a daily driver, love it. I have cars for the track. But for fun drives I want something different, and hope ST nails it. If not, will be happy to say it sucks and will trade it for something else.

Originally Posted by rickman_fr

teasing

Originally Posted by disden

i think you are missing the entire purpose of this car. It’s not a cruiser, it’s not a grocery getter or a daily driver. It was purposefully made to be the most involving and emotional of a driving experience that Porsche can create under the current legal restrictions. They have always said it’s a car specifically made take out on that fun weekend drive, so it will be loud and raw, they wanted it to be an experience, a car to get out of smiling and want more. Oddly with your penchant for cars that are similarly brutal like Viper it’s rather surprising the S/T doesn’t appeal to you.

I had a 992 GT3 for 2 years, I rarely drove it on the street because it was quite honestly miserable on any road surfaces that weren’t glass smooth, and in Indiana we don’t have those. As I have posted from the day I bought it, it was spectacular on the track but ho hum on the street because the front end was ridiculously nervous, the car moved constantly all over the road and after awhile was simply annoying to drive. 992 GT3 Touring in my opinion with the same setup therefor completely missed the mark. The new suspension setup can’t be appreciated until on track, so driving to the store is a fun experience, but it’s not like driving a Turbo S which is like relaxing in your living room in comparison. The steering continues to feel lighter and lighter, and while direct and accurate and not Ferrari video game light, is not as enjoyable as older Porsches which felt more genuine in the sensations given. the biggest draw for a Touring is therefor its NA and manual…cool, we should be thrilled Porsche makes these still and get them while we can. What I am getting at however, is that it’s not some soft cruiser that will whisk you serenely to work in comfort/quiet. The 992 GT3 Touring is still a GT3, so it’s Emotional and loud, still an experience. But as I have said from day 1, Porsche should have softened the suspension on the Touring and dialed back the steering involvement somehow because as delivered it’s a car that misses the mark for a Tourer car. As a weekend fun car, bang on. You have a Turbo S, that’s the calm cruiser.

so my hopes with the S/T, and I will find out soon, is that Porsche fixed the suspension and steering which annoyed the crap out of me on the public roads, which sounds like they did. And that they simultaneously cranked up the loudness, rawness, driving experience that makes it a purely unique driving experience… again which it sounds like they did. My hope was for a raw, emotional special car that tingles the senses for those special drives, all with a manual NA motor and styled so one won’t look like a Putz with a wild color and wings…so for what I want in a car it seems like they hit the mark. So it’s a matter of whether you understand the point of the car or not. I have an EV for a daily driver, love it. I have cars for the track. But for fun drives I want something different, and hope ST nails it. If not, will be happy to say it sucks and will trade it for something else.

Originally Posted by disden

i think you are missing the entire purpose of this car. It’s not a cruiser, it’s not a grocery getter or a daily driver. It was purposefully made to be the most involving and emotional of a driving experience that Porsche can create under the current legal restrictions. They have always said it’s a car specifically made take out on that fun weekend drive, so it will be loud and raw, they wanted it to be an experience, a car to get out of smiling and want more. Oddly with your penchant for cars that are similarly brutal like Viper it’s rather surprising the S/T doesn’t appeal to you.

I had a 992 GT3 for 2 years, I rarely drove it on the street because it was quite honestly miserable on any road surfaces that weren’t glass smooth, and in Indiana we don’t have those. As I have posted from the day I bought it, it was spectacular on the track but ho hum on the street because the front end was ridiculously nervous, the car moved constantly all over the road and after awhile was simply annoying to drive. 992 GT3 Touring in my opinion with the same setup therefor completely missed the mark. The new suspension setup can’t be appreciated until on track, so driving to the store is a fun experience, but it’s not like driving a Turbo S which is like relaxing in your living room in comparison. The steering continues to feel lighter and lighter, and while direct and accurate and not Ferrari video game light, is not as enjoyable as older Porsches which felt more genuine in the sensations given. the biggest draw for a Touring is therefor its NA and manual…cool, we should be thrilled Porsche makes these still and get them while we can. What I am getting at however, is that it’s not some soft cruiser that will whisk you serenely to work in comfort/quiet. The 992 GT3 Touring is still a GT3, so it’s Emotional and loud, still an experience. But as I have said from day 1, Porsche should have softened the suspension on the Touring and dialed back the steering involvement somehow because as delivered it’s a car that misses the mark for a Tourer car. As a weekend fun car, bang on. You have a Turbo S, that’s the calm cruiser.

so my hopes with the S/T, and I will find out soon, is that Porsche fixed the suspension and steering which annoyed the crap out of me on the public roads, which sounds like they did. And that they simultaneously cranked up the loudness, rawness, driving experience that makes it a purely unique driving experience… again which it sounds like they did. My hope was for a raw, emotional special car that tingles the senses for those special drives, all with a manual NA motor and styled so one won’t look like a Putz with a wild color and wings…so for what I want in a car it seems like they hit the mark. So it’s a matter of whether you understand the point of the car or not. I have an EV for a daily driver, love it. I have cars for the track. But for fun drives I want something different, and hope ST nails it. If not, will be happy to say it sucks and will trade it for something else.

Originally Posted by 993RR

@Justaroofer Please , please stop the nonsense chat. Everyone here knows how you feel about the ST ad you are not buying one - you are buying a 992 GT3 RS - better you spend your time on those forum threads. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Ukkid74

back to normal programming !

look an ST

Originally Posted by Lee74

Without stirring up the heated debates and testosterone-fueled arguments, what's the deal with this "delayed" steering on the ST? Is there any technical value to it?
Does the S/T also get the double wishbone front suspension?

Originally Posted by GrantG

The steering ratio is slower to match the lack of rear axle steering - there is no delay. Yes, double wishbones…

Originally Posted by goin2drt

There is an ignore function. It works awesome. Then when people stop feeding the trolls they leave and move on over to a different thread. I guarantee it works, especially when they add ZERO value.

I just hope we truly get some awesome driving experiences from people buying these. I know I would drive it if I got it. I am afraid at these crazy ADMs and lease deals they end up and C&C and garage queens. To me this sure looks like the perfect P car.