A place to discuss all things ADM
06-22-2023, 03:02 PM
#6541
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Gentlemen (and ladies among us).
Let's keep this discussion to facts. As in, how much "X paid in ADM" or how much "X dealer is charging in ADM"
Let's avoid normative discussions about whether someone should (or should not) pay above MSRP for a GT car (or any car), or whether it is right or wrong for a dealer (or any other seller) to ask for a certain price above MSRP.
Making judgments about how other people either spend their own money, or not spend their own money, is counterproductive and leads to lots of ego-centric name calling, which really detracts from the quiddity of this thread, and unnecessarily raises the temperature around here.
Continued discussions about how much one should pay, how much one makes, where or what college or graduate degree one has, where to get the best BBQ, etc. will be dealt with accordingly and may ultimately end up in a one-way ticket to visit our friend Diablo Dude.
Thank you for understanding.
Let's keep this discussion to facts. As in, how much "X paid in ADM" or how much "X dealer is charging in ADM"
Let's avoid normative discussions about whether someone should (or should not) pay above MSRP for a GT car (or any car), or whether it is right or wrong for a dealer (or any other seller) to ask for a certain price above MSRP.
Making judgments about how other people either spend their own money, or not spend their own money, is counterproductive and leads to lots of ego-centric name calling, which really detracts from the quiddity of this thread, and unnecessarily raises the temperature around here.
Continued discussions about how much one should pay, how much one makes, where or what college or graduate degree one has, where to get the best BBQ, etc. will be dealt with accordingly and may ultimately end up in a one-way ticket to visit our friend Diablo Dude.
Thank you for understanding.
Thank you. Hard not to see that the first response, however, once again contained name-calling. There are dealers on this forum. And even if there weren't, your guidance here, which makes a lot of sense, makes it clear that calling people "stealers" should be a ticket to visit Diablo.
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06-22-2023, 03:06 PM
#6542
Are there people here who have gotten a 992 GT3 at MSRP with zero prior dealer interaction/relationship, or ADM? Seems thats possible but also seem exceedingly rare? That ADM poll seems useless fro real info as it doesn't account for prior dealer relationship, so doesn't really speak to the market, imo. Thats the poll I wanna see. And only to help me best understand what is possible, because from my seat, it's very unrealistic. From speaking with multiple dealers (four in my area), looking at Porsche website of used cars, BaT, PcarMarket, etc, etc.
Just seems it's a supply/demand rise and that is what is going to keep determining ADM?
Just seems it's a supply/demand rise and that is what is going to keep determining ADM?
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wageslave (06-25-2023)
06-22-2023, 03:39 PM
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Are there people here who have gotten a 992 GT3 at MSRP with zero prior dealer interaction/relationship, or ADM? Seems thats possible but also seem exceedingly rare? That ADM poll seems useless fro real info as it doesn't account for prior dealer relationship, so doesn't really speak to the market, imo. Thats the poll I wanna see. And only to help me best understand what is possible, because from my seat, it's very unrealistic. From speaking with multiple dealers (four in my area), looking at Porsche website of used cars, BaT, PcarMarket, etc, etc.
Just seems it's a supply/demand rise and that is what is going to keep determining ADM?
Just seems it's a supply/demand rise and that is what is going to keep determining ADM?
With inflation and interest rates still being high, supply of used cars being low, and lots of stimulus money still apparently sloshing around in the economy, I don't expect used prices to come down a lot until there's a substantial recession, at which point demand should decrease and more used cars may be listed for sale.
If the used 992 GT3 cars are perceived to be too expensive, I suggest looking at other options (991, 997, non-GT cars, etc.), many of which can be found with relatively low miles at well below MSRP.
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Manifold (06-22-2023)
06-22-2023, 08:50 PM
#6545
From my very reliable source, there were a total of 4,347 992 GT3s built to date for NA and Canada (that is all cars that have been issued VIN numbers), 2,989 are GT3 and 1,358 are GT3 Touring. That is more than 991.2 GT3s and this tells me that Porsche will build more 992.1 GT3RSs than 991.2 GT3RSs even with some supply chain issues. But it's obvious that demand is way higher today than back in 2017-2019 due to all the stimulus liquidity hence why 992 GT3s are still selling above MSRP.
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06-22-2023, 09:18 PM
#6546
From my very reliable source, there were a total of 4,347 992 GT3s built to date for NA and Canada (that is all cars that have been issued VIN numbers), 2,989 are GT3 and 1,358 are GT3 Touring. That is more than 991.2 GT3s and this tells me that Porsche will build more 992.1 GT3RSs than 991.2 GT3RSs even with some supply chain issues. But it's obvious that demand is way higher today than back in 2017-2019 due to all the stimulus liquidity hence why 992 GT3s are still selling above MSRP.
06-22-2023, 09:29 PM
#6547
At this point, I think there are very few configurable GT3 allocations for sale, so the discussion now is more about prices of used GT3s, and you can gauge that from the sources you noted. Used prices generally seem to still be tens of thousands of dollars above MSRP.
With inflation and interest rates still being high, supply of used cars being low, and lots of stimulus money still apparently sloshing around in the economy, I don't expect used prices to come down a lot until there's a substantial recession, at which point demand should decrease and more used cars may be listed for sale.
If the used 992 GT3 cars are perceived to be too expensive, I suggest looking at other options (991, 997, non-GT cars, etc.), many of which can be found with relatively low miles at well below MSRP.
With inflation and interest rates still being high, supply of used cars being low, and lots of stimulus money still apparently sloshing around in the economy, I don't expect used prices to come down a lot until there's a substantial recession, at which point demand should decrease and more used cars may be listed for sale.
If the used 992 GT3 cars are perceived to be too expensive, I suggest looking at other options (991, 997, non-GT cars, etc.), many of which can be found with relatively low miles at well below MSRP.
I definitely see a slump in my industry at the moment, but who knows if it's attached to the summer season or not.
Appreaciate the feedback but either I'll take a GT3 manual or probably no other Pcar. It just fits for me, what I like/value in driving, and my past experiences with race cars and bikes and racetracks, etc. ADMs- like previously stated, no one is thrilled about, but I've reconciled them. Its just a matter of how much, and what you get for them (allocation, used, PTS, etc.)
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EMdoc (06-23-2023)
06-22-2023, 09:32 PM
#6548
Are there people here who have gotten a 992 GT3 at MSRP with zero prior dealer interaction/relationship, or ADM? Seems thats possible but also seem exceedingly rare? That ADM poll seems useless fro real info as it doesn't account for prior dealer relationship, so doesn't really speak to the market, imo. Thats the poll I wanna see. And only to help me best understand what is possible, because from my seat, it's very unrealistic. From speaking with multiple dealers (four in my area), looking at Porsche website of used cars, BaT, PcarMarket, etc, etc.
Just seems it's a supply/demand rise and that is what is going to keep determining ADM?
Just seems it's a supply/demand rise and that is what is going to keep determining ADM?
06-22-2023, 10:05 PM
#6549
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Would LOVE to special order a new GT3 Touring, but cannot mentally accept paying a huge ADM, even though I can afford that extra cost, so I will instead special order a different model w/o the ADM once my wait list spot advances in the queue.
06-23-2023, 04:36 AM
#6550
It was possible some periods before and during the ‘pandemic’ period, even then not easy for the special cars. Now, in the US market the answer is ‘no’, except for the very rare occasion of random luck or friend of friend. The rest are just stories to be passed around over beers but never actually questioned
06-23-2023, 03:47 PM
#6552
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06-23-2023, 04:29 PM
#6553
06-24-2023, 04:22 AM
#6554
Any updates on 992.1 GT3 production ending / continuing until? A few months ago two local dealers who previously would highlight the rarity of the car began to soften on the hype a bit and mentioned the official word from Porsche was a "maybe" that production would run through most of 2024. I believe the initial thoughts on here were production would run through calendar 2023, with some 2024 MY built in 2023. I think prices have been fairly stable the past few months, with a slow decline among some unpopular specs. 2024 full year production would do a lot for those still looking.
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wageslave (06-25-2023)
06-24-2023, 05:33 AM
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