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Never been a big fan of the huge C&C events. I like driving with friends and then getting coffee. Here’s last week
That's exactly the kind of outings that I like too, a small group hitting the local canyons and then getting breakfast. Otherwise the only other time that I'll get early for a drive will be to hit the track.
Small sample size, but looking at the touring manual and touring PDK cars that have been on Pcar and BAT the past 9 months the PDK cars actually get a slight premium over MSRP than touring manuals when excluding PTS cars. The PTS + Manual cars grab significant premiums and tend to skew things, but if you just look at non PTS the mark up is very close. PDK tourings also have the lowest production numbers for 2022 MY.
I showed 12 cars across both sites, and looking at any ended auction including sold and unsold. So ending price as a % of MSRP. One interesting thing to note is that the mileage has not played a significant factor in the price, two of the highest mileage cars went for the highest premiums.
Average markup (trailing ~9 months) 27.7%
PDK Markup (trailing ~ 9 months) 28.2%
Manual Markup 27.33%
2023 Average Markup 27%
Q1 2023 Markup 28.15%
Q2 2023 Markup 24.23% (seems like a slight decline in prices of non PTS cars, but there are fewer transactions in Q2 and it is partial)
This is just for tourings, you may be correct in the wing + PDK demanding less. Overall there is not enough data to draw conclusions besides knowing PTS gets a lot more money. Lower MSRP cars tend to get a higher markup as a % of MSRP.
well it looks like we have a 6 speed touring on the block today so that's useful for our comparison!
Cant believe anyone would pay an ADM for a Porsche GT car.
It's so obvious that we are heading for a recession and the stock market is collapsing and you'll be able to walk in off the "street" to your local dealer and get a GT allocation at MSRP.
As Manifold will tell you, all you need is "patience."
Oh wait . . . the NDX-100 looks like it bottomed last OCTOBER and wants to go higher. That means that all of those employees of the Silicon Valley Tech Companies are gonna see their stock-option grants be just fine. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Google, Tesla, Meta, Broadcom, PepsiCo, Costco, Cisco, T-Mobile, Adobe, Texas Instruments, Advanced Micro Devices, Comcast, Netflix Qualcomm, and Amgen just to name the Top 20 by market-cap. - - - See you in 2025 for a 992.2 with a digital dash like the Taycan.
The NDX is currently +13.3% since this post in mid-March.
It traded as high as 14,595 this morning.
Havent heard from Boltsfan and the other "doom and gloomers" for awhile now.
I can imagine that USCtrojan has lost more money shorting the stock market than what most of us paid in an ADM.
From: Mid-Atlantic (on land, not in the middle of the ocean)
Originally Posted by WenigerAberBeser
Neat graph
I guess that $40k ADM you paid in December last year is now a $50k+ ADM?
Must sting even more for him to know that people are still getting allocations at MSRP. "Everybody pays big ADM" is a myth perpetuated by those paid a big ADM. I'm getting mine at MSRP and I hope all of our cars depreciate as cars normally do.
Must sting even more for him to know that people are still getting allocations at MSRP. "Everybody pays big ADM" is a myth perpetuated by those paid a big ADM. I'm getting mine at MSRP and I hope all of our cars depreciate as cars normally do.
Oh Yes! DD (aka Mike) has been wrong a lot on RL (you getting an MSRP allocation, MY2023 being last of 992.1 GT3s, 'everyone pays ADM', etc.) some people buy these cars to drive and create memories... others, it seems, rarely drive and act like these are blue-chip investments and try to prop up the market to lessen the pain of their ADM.
Last edited by WenigerAberBeser; 06-02-2023 at 02:51 PM.
Small sample size, but looking at the touring manual and touring PDK cars that have been on Pcar and BAT the past 9 months the PDK cars actually get a slight premium over MSRP than touring manuals when excluding PTS cars. The PTS + Manual cars grab significant premiums and tend to skew things, but if you just look at non PTS the mark up is very close. PDK tourings also have the lowest production numbers for 2022 MY.
I showed 12 cars across both sites, and looking at any ended auction including sold and unsold. So ending price as a % of MSRP. One interesting thing to note is that the mileage has not played a significant factor in the price, two of the highest mileage cars went for the highest premiums.
Average markup (trailing ~9 months) 27.7%
PDK Markup (trailing ~ 9 months) 28.2%
Manual Markup 27.33%
2023 Average Markup 27%
Q1 2023 Markup 28.15%
Q2 2023 Markup 24.23% (seems like a slight decline in prices of non PTS cars, but there are fewer transactions in Q2 and it is partial)
This is just for tourings, you may be correct in the wing + PDK demanding less. Overall there is not enough data to draw conclusions besides knowing PTS gets a lot more money. Lower MSRP cars tend to get a higher markup as a % of MSRP.
Lol
Markup is irrelevant. It’s what they actually sell for. It’s not even close. Manual always higher. Here’s one that not even PtS.
Must sting even more for him to know that people are still getting allocations at MSRP. "Everybody pays big ADM" is a myth perpetuated by those paid a big ADM. I'm getting mine at MSRP and I hope all of our cars depreciate as cars normally do.
I've got $100 that says that you'll never post a screenshot of your build at V200 at MSRP.
If you do, I will donate $100 to your favorite charity.
Last edited by Diablo Dude; 06-02-2023 at 04:48 PM.
06-02-2023 | 12:08 AM
