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Old 05-25-2023 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by markfedco
wow really?? Cause most people I talk with say ADM is in the $150-$200k range and that is if you can even get a confirmed allocation. I'm onto my 5th dealership with this process now. None of them could give me a confirmed allocation. The dealership I'm working with now is a small market dealer who is getting 1 allocation and maybe another allocation in Q4.
They've never been that high. On this thread just a couple of weeks ago a broker offered an allocation in the $75k range and possibly in the $50k range.
Old 05-25-2023 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by deVeil
They've never been that high. On this thread just a couple of weeks ago a broker offered an allocation in the $75k range and possibly in the $50k range.
Interesting. I'll look back. I thought $100k was a decent deal in the current market. Cause I just saw a 2023 with $276k MSRP (2024 = $292k) car sell in AZ for $500k.
Old 05-25-2023 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by markfedco
Interesting. I'll look back. I thought $100k was a decent deal in the current market. Cause I just saw a 2023 with $276k MSRP (2024 = $292k) car sell in AZ for $500k.
Oh the RS? $100-150k seems to be the rule atm.
Old 05-25-2023 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by deVeil
Oh the RS? $100-150k seems to be the rule atm.
I'm sorry I should have specified this is on an RS model.

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Old 05-25-2023 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by deVeil
Oh the RS? $100-150k seems to be the rule atm.
Yeah very easy to pick up an allocation if you are willing to pay around $100k ADM.
Old 05-25-2023 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by markfedco
Interesting. I'll look back. I thought $100k was a decent deal in the current market. Cause I just saw a 2023 with $276k MSRP (2024 = $292k) car sell in AZ for $500k.
$500k for a GT3RS is a JOKE. I could buy a Pista and still have a ton of money left over.
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Old 05-25-2023 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Yeah very easy to pick up an allocation if you are willing to pay around $100k ADM.
Not sure about "very easy" cause like I said I've had that feeler out there for quite a while. With funds ready.
Old 05-25-2023 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by markfedco
Not sure about "very easy" cause like I said I've had that feeler out there for quite a while. With funds ready.
Think you'll have to be a little patient - this point in a car's production cycle is very murky. A lot of price discovery with ADMs still. GT4 RS' started at $100k ADMs before stabilizing to $50k or so within a couple months.
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Old 05-25-2023 | 01:47 PM
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Think you'll have to be a little patient - this point in a car's production cycle is very murky. A lot of price discovery with ADMs still. GT4 RS' started at $100k ADMs before stabilizing to $50k or so within a couple months.
Exactly, there's only cars on the ground and stop sales out there so it'll take a little time for things to stabilize.
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Another datapoint - stunning GT3 Touring PTS BRG hammered for $281k including premium. Very healthy ADM of $75k. Hilariously, someone else bought a BRG touring on BAT just two months ago and paid $340k so that must feel kind of weird to watch this go for significantly less. No I don't think the market has softened by $60k in two months but this illustrates how it's tough to get a gauge of 'market value'.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...omments-anchor

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Old 05-25-2023 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by maroli
Another datapoint - stunning GT3 Touring PTS BRG hammered for $281k including premium. Very healthy ADM of $75k. Hilariously, someone else bought a BRG touring on BAT just two months ago and paid $340k so that must feel kind of weird to watch this go for significantly less. No I don't think the market has softened by $60k in two months but this illustrates how it's tough to get a gauge of 'market value'.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...omments-anchor
Crazy there has been 3 BRG Tourings for sale on BaT in the past couple months. 1 was withdrawn but still.
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Old 05-25-2023 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by maroli
Another datapoint - stunning GT3 Touring PTS BRG hammered for $281k including premium. Very healthy ADM of $75k. Hilariously, someone else bought a BRG touring on BAT just two months ago and paid $340k so that must feel kind of weird to watch this go for significantly less. No I don't think the market has softened by $60k in two months but this illustrates how it's tough to get a gauge of 'market value'.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...omments-anchor
Not disagreeing with anything stated. The issue with these auctions is that are just that - auctions, and pricing is entirely a function of 'who's in the room' at closing. The $340K Touring had a tad higher MSRP ($8,500) but still a meaningful delta between the two. I would not draw a line based on these 2 isolated data points, as that $340K Touring could have ben $280K the very next week based again on who was in the room then (and ditto for today's BRG auction). But what the two data pts confirm is the trend continuation that PtS cars tend to bring all the boys to the yard, and continue to carry a meaningful premium/level of desirability.

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Crazy there has been 3 BRG Tourings for sale on BaT in the past couple months. 1 was withdrawn but still.
Fun 'fact' - when I was spec'ing my PTS Touring and working with a PAG 'Consultant', I was asking her for an honest opinion on my top 3 color choices (realizing it is very subjective). One of the 3 was a shade of green and she politely steered me away stating that the PtS orders they had processed to date had an overwhelming amount of Greens (more so than she had ever seen in prior gens), to the point she felt some greens may even eclipse the # of some of the less popular factory / standard colors.

I feel ever since the 1 millionth 911 was done in Irish green, greens in general have become very popular anew (vs having been associated to an old man's Camry color in the 2000s).
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Old 05-26-2023 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by markfedco
wow really?? Cause most people I talk with say ADM is in the $150-$200k range and that is if you can even get a confirmed allocation. I'm onto my 5th dealership with this process now. None of them could give me a confirmed allocation. The dealership I'm working with now is a small market dealer who is getting 1 allocation and maybe another allocation in Q4.
Keep in mind that 3RS is only about 1 sec per minute faster on the track than the GT3 and there's no real difference on the road. And GT3 has a frunk. 3RS isn't worth a crazy premium over the GT3 unless you just gotta have that rad look.

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Old 05-26-2023 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Keep in mind that 3RS is only about 1 sec per minute faster on the track than the GT3 and there's no real difference on the road. And GT3 has a frunk. 3RS isn't worth a crazy premium over the GT3 unless you just gotta have that rad look.
If it’s between parking up front or having your car moved so a bigger dawg gets the primo spot, it’s worth the extra $150k.
Old 05-27-2023 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Ferdinand
Not disagreeing with anything stated. The issue with these auctions is that are just that - auctions, and pricing is entirely a function of 'who's in the room' at closing. The $340K Touring had a tad higher MSRP ($8,500) but still a meaningful delta between the two. I would not draw a line based on these 2 isolated data points, as that $340K Touring could have ben $280K the very next week based again on who was in the room then (and ditto for today's BRG auction). But what the two data pts confirm is the trend continuation that PtS cars tend to bring all the boys to the yard, and continue to carry a meaningful premium/level of desirability.


Fun 'fact' - when I was spec'ing my PTS Touring and working with a PAG 'Consultant', I was asking her for an honest opinion on my top 3 color choices (realizing it is very subjective). One of the 3 was a shade of green and she politely steered me away stating that the PtS orders they had processed to date had an overwhelming amount of Greens (more so than she had ever seen in prior gens), to the point she felt some greens may even eclipse the # of some of the less popular factory / standard colors.

I feel ever since the 1 millionth 911 was done in Irish green, greens in general have become very popular anew (vs having been associated to an old man's Camry color in the 2000s).
I have a theory that Porsche purposely keeps dark greens off the standard/optional/special color list to keep the PTS green money train rolling down the tracks 😀
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