Originally Posted by Manifold

If we're gonna be honest about these cars, 992 GT3 is also overkill for the road and needs to be on track to appreciate the car in its sweet spot. Aero doesn't do much if you're not near the limit of grip. Cars that are most compatible with road enjoyment tend to be older cars that are smaller, less technology, less power, all-season tires with modest grip. But somehow a lot of people think newer, wider, grippier, faster on track must be better for fun on the road. At least with the high power/torque cars like TT/S and electrics, you can blast it in short segments between turns where it's safe to do so.

Originally Posted by av12345

You are reaching again - there is no actual (safe) use of a TTS on the road. Just how you can justify a TTS for the road so can anyone with a GT3 (especially a GT3 Touring).

Originally Posted by McNamara

Not sure about that. Looks like a modest growth at best among the top 5%.

Originally Posted by DodoBrd

Consider this...

in Year 2000, there were 6.1bn people on earth and the world economy was valued at $42 trillion

in year 2022, there were 8bn people on earth and the world economy was valued at $100+ trillion

so, population grew by 31% and economy grew by 146%... and we all know that extra $$ isn't evenly spread across the masses

Originally Posted by av12345

You are reaching again - there is no actual (safe) full use of a TTS on the road. Just how you can justify a TTS for the road so can anyone with a GT3 (especially a GT3 Touring).

Originally Posted by DodoBrd

Consider this...

in Year 2000, there were 6.1bn people on earth and the world economy was valued at $42 trillion

in year 2022, there were 8bn people on earth and the world economy was valued at $100+ trillion

so, population grew by 31% and economy grew by 146%... and we all know that extra $$ isn't evenly spread across the masses


btw... that DQYDJ data you are sharing is based on survey data (not hard data like IRS tax filings). The sample size was about 0.02% of the US population

Originally Posted by Manifold

There's no safe use on public roads for any modern car driven near its limits. Doesn't even have to be a sports car.

Strength of a TTS is that it doesn't need high revs to deliver acceleration, AWD helps you put the power down while keeping the car going in the desired direction, and the excellent brakes and suspension make for excellent corner entry at all speeds. TTS is also comfortable when you need it to be.

GT3 was designed more as a track car, and that's where it shines. I don't really get the touring thing, but apparently it makes people feel like the car was meant for the road.

Originally Posted by Diablo Dude

Exactly.

And for some strange reason, his GT3 "track" narrative fails to recognize that the Touring doesnt have much (if any) downforce for the track.
In fact, the Touring only generates 33 pounds of downforce at 125 mph compared to 317 pounds for the winged version.

Originally Posted by av12345

It’s a track-use inspired car, sure. But I guess then the people designing and building these also have it confused (especially for the touring) to say it can be used on the road plenty - even as a daily. The GT3RS Porsche isn’t trying to sell as a daily…

Again, I’m not saying your choice to go for the TTS instead of the GT3 was “bad” but you are now just trying to justify it to us all (on a GT3 forum nonetheless) and it’s just coming off in poor taste / form. We are glad you love your TTS - we love our GT3s (for the track and for the road).

Originally Posted by DodoBrd

Winged GT3 has 385kg (849lbs) of downforce @ 124mph. The 317lbs seems to come from misquoted C&D articles.

https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...e-figures.html
https://www.autozine.org/Archive/Por...w/992_GT3.html
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/porsche/911-gt3-992
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...h-review/44049
https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/gt...cal-highlights
Not sure about the eunuch GT3

Originally Posted by Manifold

The difference in downforce doesn't matter on the road. None of you guys are going to corner near the limit anywhere near 100 mph on the road.

Originally Posted by Manifold

None of us need to justify our choices of which cars we buy (except possibly to spouse). They're all fine cars, and it comes down to preference. Yes, you can enjoyably drive the GT3 on the road, and you can enjoyably track the TTS, but the niche for each car is opposite. I just got back from a country drive in my 997.1 C2S manual, and that's my most engaging road car - fun at all speeds, whereas my 991.1 GT3 and TTS do need to be wound up to come alive.

Originally Posted by McNamara

Not sure about that. Looks like a modest growth at best among the top 5%.

Originally Posted by AlexCeres

ask the wrong question, get useless answers

the top 0.1% owns 20% more total wealth in the US than they did in 2000. https://usafacts.org/topics/wealth-savings/
enormous accumulation at the top end. If Americans had a ****ing clue, they would be rioting.