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I agree its free market and when demand > supply, price goes up. If we deny that, we cant ask discount from msrp from dealers when economy is bad.
The price on gt3 is definitely shifting. Lots of supplies now and floor plan cost up. Gt3 isnt stock market so it does not reflect on price right away but there will be sticky and slow decline in prices where deals are made. If you value your time to drive gt3 one year earlier than saving 50k or so over. Go for it. Honestly, thats the whole point of ADM anyways. Once 992.2 hits, now 992.1 gt3 will look dated and less appealing just like how 991.2 gt3 are now (it used to be the hottest car in 2018 lol).
Then again, already discontinued cars like 458 speciale and cgt. They work in different mechanic.
For the record I have no issue with anyone paying an ADM, never have. It’s their money not mine. I have only tried to help people in here by showing them places they can go for better prices than the pumpers (mainly Rusman and Diablo) claim
I have said prices are dropping (they are) and I can get ADM’s at half what some of these people claim is market right now and they throw a fit.
then I provide examples of offers I’ve gotten in the past and they get very very angry.
The guy trying to help people with ADM’s and telling some emotional buyers in here their Gt3 they think is going to stay at 50-100k over, will be sticker quicker than they know it (depreciation is normal) is called responsible and rational, not the delusional enemy these losers want to portray. If you got money you need to blow by all means go blow 75k over on a Gt3 they have 188 for sale on autotrader to choose from…but if money means something to you maybe listen to my 2 cents and take a second look at your decision and have a little patience and you’ll be rewarded
Merry Christmas and happy new year
Just for the record, I've seen ZERO evidence of these deals you claim to have access to. Also, your "offers in the past" exist in the form of screenshotted texts. I can text my buddy now saying I can get a 992 GT3 for 30k off MSRP and post it here. Doesn't mean it's true. Yes, I got your last text message flip flopped, but it still doesn't change the fact that there is no tangible proof whatsoever that you were offer a GT3 at 30k off.
You claim to have helped other members with leads on cars. I'll patiently wait for them to follow up and let us know how things went. If they are such great and accessible deals, post them here for everyone to have access to. And I already know what your reply will be - "why would I help an a-hole like you!". Cool beans bro.
And finally, I have no skin in the game for these continued ADMs. I'd like to get a 992 GT3, but not at these prices. However, I have a sense of realism and know prices aren't just going to drop to MSRP overnight. Six months ago you swore 992 GT3 would be at MSRP before the end of 2022. End of 2022 is here, and 992 GT3 ADMs are marginally improved. Keep up your shoddy predictions though, they are well embraced around here.
Its actually lower than what you sold it for as trade in value is always lower than actual sales price. I wonder what dealer margin is on cars in 400k zone like pista. 40k?
So, the pista was MSRP (I have a long standing relationship and the owner owns Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren, and others), but I bet your $40K number sounds about right on what they get on the deal....$30 to $40 i would say
Free market allows dealers to take advantage of suckers. If you regulate to prevent that, it’s not free.
I don’t want to regulate to prevent it - I just said I personally have no problem with people paying ADMs but do when shady dealers take advantage of someone. Regulating for it will clearly do way more harm than good (and I certainly don’t want a Tesla model for every manufacturer). Buyers just need to be as educated as they can be but just like going to the casino - the house will most of the time have a slight edge.
I don’t want to regulate to prevent it - I just said I personally have no problem with people paying ADMs but do when shady dealers take advantage of someone. Regulating for it will clearly do way more harm than good (and I certainly don’t want a Tesla model for every manufacturer). Buyers just need to be as educated as they can be but just like going to the casino - the house will most of the time have a slight edge.
I don’t fault dealers for trying to make as much money as they can, provided that they don’t lie to buyers. High prices are the result of us buyers competing with each other to get the cars. I laugh when I hear guys who couldn’t get an allocation congratulating those who did, as though it’s a lottery. But if the guys who get the cars use them as intended, I’m cool with that.
Free market allows dealers to take advantage of suckers. If you regulate to prevent that, it’s not free.
I would say free market is when the manufacturer can sell to whomever they want as they please, without a legally mandated, rent-extracting, zero value adding, arms-length intermediary. An oligopoly of protected dealers is not free market.
I would say free market is when the manufacturer can sell to whomever they want as they please, without a legally mandated, rent-extracting, zero value adding, arms-length intermediary. An oligopoly of protected dealers is not free market.
I don’t disagree, but we were talking about dealers selling the cars at really high prices to customers willing to pay those prices. Prospective buyers always have the option of saying no.
There really is no other car in the marketplace that commands the performance of a Porsche GT car at this price point.
Econ 1 teaches us that when prices get too high for a particular item, market participants look for substitutes.
But given the substantially higher price points of other manufacturers, there really is no substitute.
Pardon the pun.
Porsche has literally priced these cars too "cheaply" compared to the competition.
That's essentially the foundation for the ADM game, not too mention scarcity of allocations and/or production.
Since this thread has evolved into a "prediction" thread I will make an educated guess that the MSRP of Porsche GT cars will see a fairly sizeable jump come the 2024 model year.
How this affects the ADM game is anyone's guess. But I'm going to predict that the MSRP doesnt just increase the $8,600 that it did from MY22 to MY23 which essentially reflected the inflation rate.
At the end of the day, there are an awful lot of wealthy people out there and only about 2,900 992.1 GT3 cars produced for the U.S. market.
My local PPF shop (Premier in Fremont) has a 4-month wait to schedule an appointment. And their customers arent just Porsche owners.
A lot of their business also comes from owners of Ferraris, Lambos, and McLarens.
Such is the San Francisco Bay Area.
Bucket list trip checked recently as I shipped this thing cross country (should've driven it there but work time would not permit) to drive the PCH and go canyon carving with some West Coast Pcar friends. ADM/No ADM...??, Who the F... cares..!!. Get out and drive and enjoy yourselves. YOLO, Life's too short, Just do it, and any other cliché saying out there will continue to apply here as it relates to GT car purchasing (and enjoying) IMHO. Hadn't visited/posted in here in over a month but it seems like the discussion is still the same. Wait for msrp and bla bla. Ask me what I will remember the most?, The ADM paid or the trip I just completed in this phenomenal piece of modern automotive engineering... #PorscheON! and Happy Holidays to all..!!!
Bucket list trip checked recently as I shipped this thing cross country (should've driven it there but work time would not permit) to drive the PCH and go canyon carving with some West Coast Pcar friends. ADM/No ADM...??, Who the F... cares..!!. Get out and drive and enjoy yourselves. YOLO, Life's too short, Just do it, and any other cliché saying out there will continue to apply here as it relates to GT car purchasing (and enjoying) IMHO. Hadn't visited/posted in here in over a month but it seems like the discussion is still the same. Wait for msrp and bla bla. Ask me what I will remember the most?, The ADM paid or the trip I just completed in this phenomenal piece of modern automotive engineering... #PorscheON! and Happy Holidays to all..!!!
Malibu Canyons
What color is it? Yachting blue? Thats a sexy car.
Said it before, but this one would be considered a very low number stat as a sales point. No lift (spare the it doesn't matter bs, it does for resale to the majority of potential buyers spending ADM money), no PCCB, and funky color choices combined with PDK was going to have this be about as weak as these can get. Im almost surprised even that brought nearly 50k over in bidding.
12-26-2022, 09:12 PM
