Dr. G

I can see that, of course. I haven't yet driven the 992 GT3 yet (my Touring is still sitting in Davisville) but sort of knew what to expect as I have driven a RS 4.0, 991.1 RS and a 911R (which may technically not count). I know I can't get near the limit of what the car can do on the street, but it will still provide a more visceral experience than some of the other 992 variants (I had a 992 TTS).

ipse dixit

This was true for the 991 generation, but not sure it really drove down resale prices as much as increased production did.

Manifold

I don't think people can generally get near the limits of any of these cars on public roads, which is part of the reason for my not enjoying the GT cars on the road. The GT cars don't really 'wake up' until you're going insane speeds, whereas the non-GT cars feel more awake at semi-sane speeds.

A lot of the visceral perception is due to the soundtrack, and I do think the GT cars generally have a better soundtrack. But that can be fixed somewhat in the non-GT cars by modifying the exhaust.

GTTROIS

Cool to see that some NJ dealers are selling at MSRP. Having said that, did you trade your 992 TTS for MSRP or for market value?

Assuming that you managed to pay MSRP for that one as well, if the latter, then you essentially paid an ADM on the GT3T.

Dr. G

I paid MSRP for the 992 TTS and then when I traded it back with 8000mi on the odo the dealer gave me $6K over sticker for it. Plus I got my tax credit. Touring at MSRP, so I actually made a little bit on both cars.

I did have to pay an ADM of $35K on the Tecnica, but considering the small profit on the TTS and the lack of ADM on the Touring I'm sort of ok with it when you average it all out (even though I know that logic is completely flawed).

Dr. G

True, but having the NA engine, manual and LWBs changes the experience vs the "standard" 992s. Add an exhaust to the GT3 and the delta increases further.

Manifold

I think there's no wrong answer for manual vs PDK, both are fun, and it depends on how well the torque curve works with the gearing. I like the linearity of high revving NA, but I like the low to mid range torque of turbo. Drivetrain of my E93 M3 DCT with a NA V8 is hard to beat, and I bought it for only $40K with only 27k miles on it.

Sometimes I like the snugness of LWB, but also like the comfort of regular seats which have decent bolsters. We talked to our dealer about trading in the Cayman R which has LWB, and he said those seats are a big negative for selling the car.

Agreed that it's a win for GT cars on sound, but again my M3 sounds just as good.

I don't really understand the current market for these cars, and am not a typical owner/buyer/seller (if there's such a thing as typical), since wife and I both like cars, we have a lot of cars (nine), and we both drive on track.

carcommander

You are trying to make a rational argument out of an emotional one. You buy a GT car because you think they are fun. Not because they make any sense. And, most people who own them have another vehicle that is comfortable and quiet. IMO no BMW is a 911 GT car. Not close. If it is to you why waste your money on a 911 GT car?

Manifold

Our GT cars are for the track. If we stopped going to the track, we'd sell the GT cars and only own non-GT cars. I don't find it fun to drive a car which begs to be driven near 10/10ths on the track - which I've done - at 7/10ths or less on the road. I find the 997 C2S manual to be way more fun on the road than modern GT cars, and it has a better torque curve on the road than the 991.1 GT3 (997 needs to be louder, but I can fix that).

DodoBrd

1. Interest rates have doubled / tripled
2. The GT4RS and GT3RS are here
3. We are 1.5 years into production
4. We are headed into winter
5. Stocks are down 20%+
6. There are 130+ used GT3s on AT

... and yet, ADM is still $50k+... if the GT3 ADM was going to tank, I reckon we would already be there

Manifold

I think it's more likely to taper down rather than tank. Used car prices in general are trending down slowly. We still have supply chain issues which are keeping demand above supply.

Interests rates are likely to go up further. My guess is that stock prices will go lower next year. People bought toys during the pandemic, and when they get bored with playing with them, they may be inclined to sell them before prices keep going lower.

Diablo Dude

I cant imagine who you must be talking about.

Diablo Dude

Ummmm.... the ADM usually becomes the "deposit".
No one is walking after paying the ADM.

Bucketlistx911

I will pull commentary from the financial markets to make analogies and guesses on GT prices. Yes equities down 20% YTD. Many analysts believe we have not yet hit the stock market rock bottom along with the ugly capitulation which always marks the bottom. I doubt that demand collapses or that supply jumps up for these cars. After a year the market has matured and solidiified while withstanding some big economic shockwaves. Supply has been good for those who will pay the price.
The equity forecasts say the ultimate bottom may hit 30% to 40 % below 12/31/21. So for the GT cars the price trend will continue downward which has always been the direction two years after new model arrival. Maybe supply will nudge up a bit. Adm for new GT3 cars not terribly relevant as there are very few to be abvailable and dealers now more focused to sell models GT3 RS and GT4 RS. The used resale market will now govern for 992.1's. I predict prices drift lower towards MSRP over the next year, staying slightly higher for the best specifications. Sure Touring -manuals will hold the premium. Nothing abrupt or upsetting expected. There will be more downward price pressure on the 991.2's as they will be less desirable among more current GT choices.
No one is left to buy these GT cars on speculation for profits, those guys have cleared out. The Rolex Daytona has dropped in price from near $50k to current around $34k, that is another proxy for market direction. Real buyers and real sellers will make the market here going forward. You buy it because you wnat it and accept the realities that cars depreciate and have carry cost. What the hell if you drive the heck out of this car and sell it for 10%-20% less than original cost, such a bargain for living good!
This is all favorable for the dedicated Porsche owner. The speculative bubbles are disruptive to the enjoyment of long term GT ownership. when the curve gets to bottom, most of us will be happier to just talk about the fun of driving. BTW this is all going to work out better than that WCOM I bought 20 some years ago.....

Dr. Ferdinand

Depends how one defines 'improvements'. You mention
- digital dash - speaking for myself and surely a number of ppl here - moving to an iPad/Tesla style display is a downgrade vs improvement the way I see it (experience wise, not tech wise).
- HP - the 992 GT3 doesn't need an additional 10-15hp it will likely see in the facelift (if that), the definition of 'improvement' to me is something that was needed, HP is not such IMO
- pricing - extrapolating the base MSRP increase of ~$9K year over year (MY22-23), for MY25 (992.2 GT3), there would be likely a $20K price bump from where we are today. High tides raise all boats. There cannot be a complete de-coupling of 992.1 vs 992.2 pricing, meaning latter will likely have an upward 'pull' on the former.