Rolex has a fast solution -- they do not allow dealers to sell their watches above MSRP -- even though they sell in the second market often for twice their MSRP price. But the dealer does have control over who they sell a watch too. There are guys that try to buy at msrp and instantly sell to a second market dealer for a nice profit. But Rolex monitors watches for sale by these dealers-- they send in shoppers, and they trace them back to the selling dealer and will take their dealer status away if they find a lot of their watches are being flipped. THere is the suspicion that the buyer might be kicking back to the shop some of their profit. So Rolex dealers look for real collectors that do not flip the watches and they ask for photos of the watches they sold you all together and honestly they allocate the real popular models to customers that buy other jewelry from their store - not just Rolex watches. And Porsche dealers should do the same -- buy a Panamera or a Cayenne or a macon several times and then trade them back to the same dealer -- and when you want that next GT3 -- rationally they should sell it to you before some guy on the other end of the phone. And you buy some extra stuff -- like maintenance plans -- or you service all your cars at the dealership also. And they might even sell you cars ar MSRP as they are making it up with outher vehicles and other income from you as well. And everyone would do the same if they owned a Porsche dealer that is trying to make enough profit to pay employees and keep the lights on.

 

The Rolex model is basically the Ferrari model. It goes way beyond not flipping. You need to buy models you don’t want, and trade them back to your dealer. You’re basically never going to catch up to folks who’ve been in the game for 10+ years. They’ll always get dibs on the best stuff. Buying a couple entry level cars does not and will never make you big time. You need to be doing $1M of business. A year. Every year. People get confused. Being able to buy a $200K car does not make you rich. Great you feel that way, congrats. Still a nobody.

ADM sucks. The alternatives suck pretty hard too.

 

I get fairly good response from most of the dealers I play with - but I do buy cars and I don't flip them -- but I have never yet paid over MSRP -- Two cars in 2022 and one in 2021 - I could have had a GT3 for $50,000 over but I passed early just after released -- I guessed wrong on that one-- but I would never take a car on the track so probably a good thing anyway- wife would have refused to drive around in that car given the hard suspension.

 

ok so let me get this straight…

Your solution: over many years buy a bunch of SUVs/Sedans and then take hefty losses trading them into same dealer while also buying frivolous packages. And MAYBE you will have the chance to buy a GT car.

Dealers solution: if you want a GT car, pay the Market price


btw, buying an SUV or Sedan every couple of years isn’t going to raise an eyebrow at most dealers

 

Clearly the markets are crazy and not normal for any brand. I’ve said many times if you want in a hot market you will pay, I have gotten MSRP cars and when I couldn’t I had no problem buying used. I will never own a Porsche SUV just to buy one not really my thing. My dealer called my for a Cayenne GT MSRP thought about it, but not a fan of fast SUV’s. However the car is a bat out of hell fun to drive. I’ve only had 6 Porsche a lot less than many of you, and I’m not stuck to any brand I will go where I get the best deal for a car I like. If you become a brand prisoner you get caught in the hype machine. The more people learn they’re the customer and no need to beg and plead for a car the market will speak for itself.

2012 991S under MSRP
2015 GT3 MSRP
2016 Boxter Spyder used 2k miles
2016 GT3RS first time I paid over 25k used 400 miles and they were 100k over
2019 GT3RS MSRP
2019 Speedster MSRP.

I don’t mind waiting because I will always find something I want to drive ……it’s all perspective on how soon do you want it. I’ve learned I will sell it and get bored so having it first doesn’t mean so much anymore. I say good luck to you all that want it now, but don’t be bullied by a sales guy that adds not much value other than making you think you’re not the customer.

 

Won't say which dealership, but had a dealership i spoke with earlier in the year reach out about an allocation for a Touring build in Nov. Asking for $135k ADM. I countered with a $85k ADM and they said "do not bother contacting again after that insulting offer".

 

The insanity continues!!

 

You cheap, poor swine. How dare you lowball the most prestigious brand on the planet?

 

I took a tour of the 911/718 factory in Stuttgart about three weeks ago and what was interesting was that around 1/4 of the cars on the assembly line were GT4’s which surprised me as ai thought this was a limited production model.

but given they get over $200,000 for the factory and the dealers clear an extra $100,000 instant profit I am surprised they assembly anything other than GT3’s.

 

Hocus pocus.

 

What was your impression of the make up of the other 3/4 of vehicles under production?

 

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Terrible looking watch btw. Garbage. Trash. Pictures of watches on the walls? WTAF

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Agreed. Also, money can't buy class

 

Lots of expensive cars coming up for sale. In late 2020, lots of expensive cars disappeared from listings (cgt, rs4.0 and etc).

Now they are on market but with higher price tag and sitting.

 

Conclusion about ADM


1. Its free market. More demand than supply. Expect to pay over msrp.

2. If you want msrp, get lots of high depreciating car from the dealer and trade in at a loss. You are effectively paying adm indirectly and at the same time, you have no guaranteed allocation. Dumbest move ever.

3. This isnt some ultra rare limited car. If this is Laferrari or sth, yeah it wont come down but this is just another gt3. Wait a year or two, you will get one at msrp. (Remember when 991 speedster commanded 150k adm???)

 

Been wanting to get back in a gwagon but won't do it at current prices. G63's were in the $225-250 used early this year. Surprised to see half a dozen with pics online at my local dealers listed at MSRP. I just want a used new body G550 closer to $100k.