merc5326

This is exactly the problem, especially for a car that the very company that’s allowing this to happen is calling an enthusiast car. As it’s been said the buyer is enabling the seller, which is crazy considering the present environment and all of the market uncertainty. Someone also mentioned Porsche does this to throw their dealers a bone, well they must really love them, since this is money Porsche is not capturing. Case in point, when you have someone that can afford the car as advertised and not so much with an ADM, yet still purchases it, who’s missing out? Porsche! Without an ADM that buyer could very well have spent more on options they now have to forgo, i.e. PCCB’s, LWB’s, etc. It’s a **** show that a lot folks are sick of.

John Mclane

There are less and less buyers in lieu of "investors". Even so called enthusiasts are not driving these cars, let alone take them for track days. If You see a GT car at a less absurd price, it was tracked and/or has a tainted title. While the latter is justified, the former should be the general rule for those models, not the exception. So, even if you'd like to take your car to the track frequently, the whole valuation may hinder that for some track rats. Which feedbacks the low mile/high resale price. I see that in track days. Lots of parked GT cars, and those on the track are slowly driven (for whatever reason).

It's important to name the dealers doing the ADM and how much, not only to be able to shop around, but also gauge the new market. That should add pressure on the 991 market eventually, which is an excellent track car. Maybe then those machines would do what they're designed to do.

armanslr

Did my calls again and best I was able to get was 30k + must buy a Porsche Watch or Electric bike, this was on a PTS build.

Really really want a GT3 but gonna wait till adm's hopefully come down.

incursion

My cousin's friend was offered a 992 GT3 for $15k BELOW MSRP. Is this possible? I'm highly skeptical.

John Mclane

I guess it's possible depending if there's a trade or organ transplant involved.

SBARacing

I can’t see any below MSRP. I hear that very good GT customers are struggling to get MSRP, so I can’t see under MSRP.

armanslr

Yea it doesn't make sense. Unless they are playing with numbers because of a trade, to lower the taxes.

Chris C.

Ha. They caved too. Not surprised. They are all D-bags out here now. It's a free market gone wild - no such thing as loyalty any more.

I wonder if Porsche knows the goodwill they lose in the reverse sale game. I give a lot more money to BMW because Porsche exerts no influence/control over their dealers and their sales experience is below that of a toyota dealer now.

Chris C.

^THIS. I called and wrote PCNA recently imploring them to open a PEC Norcal and let me order direct. I walk into our local dealers no one even tries to be helpful (sitting around joking) or followup as they have no cars and way more demand then they care to service. They don't look for a car for you, help you with test drives or testing seat options, zero. They are useless sales appendages, and we here know more than their "brand ambassadors." I think it is their future if they can get past regulatory issues.

As a funny aside, at one of the local dealers mentioned here I was told "I can recite you the book on the electrics and hybrids, but why bother. Jury is out on those gaining traction anyway. We don't even invest in hybrids, that's why we don't have any". this ignorance from a dealer in the most eco-focused state arguably in NA. Is this the partner Porsche wants in the field...?

John Mclane

VW doesn't seems to care.
Funny how numerous youtubers and actual motor journalists don't ask anyone from Porsche about this practice. No one wants to be blackballed I'd guess...

MrSelfDestruct

Bull****. Best I ever got was 3% below MSRP for an ordered 997.2 GT3 but the market was different back then.

LexVan

I know your cousin's friend. And, yes, I'll admit, she has a great rack.

ksalno

Right. This is from a certain well-known dealership in FL, correct? All you have to do is give the SA $10,000 and he will “order” the car. Six months from now, that SA will flee the country with all those “deposits” and the customers will find there was no allocation or order, and they’re out the deposit money. This has happened before but I guess either people never learn or don’t read the news.

TexasPorschelover

I guess Porsche is doing everything right. Everyone is pissed about supply.

brucewinter

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/cr...65a-story.html