No More Manual Gear Box for The 911?
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Are you telling me that you have never heard of a clutch pedal?
How sad for Subaru boy. Have you never seen one? Have you forgotten what they look like? What happened to you?
And if everyone here wants the newest technology, and to spend less time shifting. . .. . . get a CVT.
CVT is by far superior to anything according to the logic in this thread. Always in gear, no shifting, and the engine immediately jumps to its maximum output and stays there the whole time while under acceleration.
How sad for Subaru boy. Have you never seen one? Have you forgotten what they look like? What happened to you?
And if everyone here wants the newest technology, and to spend less time shifting. . .. . . get a CVT.
CVT is by far superior to anything according to the logic in this thread. Always in gear, no shifting, and the engine immediately jumps to its maximum output and stays there the whole time while under acceleration.
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Precise control means both on and off throttle. Hydraulic transmissions perform miserably here because they fail to allow precise throttle steer. Manual transmissions perform admirably while in gear, but when shifting performance is all over the map ranging depending largely on driver skill. With even the most highly skilled driver however there remains the problem of losing control of power during shifting. There simply is no way of avoiding the problem of a lapse in power on upshifts (or engine braking on downshifts) interfering with car balance.
CVT eliminates the power interruption. But unless there's something new going on it fails just as miserably as a hydraulic automatic when it comes to providing the driver with complete control of on and off throttle power to the wheels.
PDK of course passes all these tests amazingly well, providing exactly the same precise control of a manual while virtually eliminating any interruption in that control due to shifting gears. It is not speed per se that makes it superior, but speed combined with smooth, uninterrupted control.
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Race Car
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Are you telling me that you have never heard of a clutch pedal?
How sad for Subaru boy. Have you never seen one? Have you forgotten what they look like? What happened to you?
And if everyone here wants the newest technology, and to spend less time shifting. . .. . . get a CVT.
CVT is by far superior to anything according to the logic in this thread. Always in gear, no shifting, and the engine immediately jumps to its maximum output and stays there the whole time while under acceleration.
How sad for Subaru boy. Have you never seen one? Have you forgotten what they look like? What happened to you?
And if everyone here wants the newest technology, and to spend less time shifting. . .. . . get a CVT.
CVT is by far superior to anything according to the logic in this thread. Always in gear, no shifting, and the engine immediately jumps to its maximum output and stays there the whole time while under acceleration.
#305
Three Wheelin'
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PDK of course passes all these tests amazingly well, providing exactly the same precise control of a manual while virtually eliminating any interruption in that control due to shifting gears. It is not speed per se that makes it superior, but speed combined with smooth, uninterrupted control.
We still got a lot of educating and converting to do brother chuck, amen ;-)
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True, the engine braking and control of the power is important.
But what happens if I need zero engine braking, and just need to let the cars momentum carry it without any interference from the engine or tranny?
Can the PDK help me in that situation?
If you have that much trouble driving a manual, you are the exact kind of person the automatic transmissions were made for.
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Race Car
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"The brakes are not for stopping the car, the brakes are for setting the suspension" - Mario
True, the engine braking and control of the power is important.
But what happens if I need zero engine braking, and just need to let the cars momentum carry it without any interference from the engine or tranny?
Can the PDK help me in that situation?
If you have that much trouble driving a manual, you are the exact kind of person the automatic transmissions were made for.
True, the engine braking and control of the power is important.
But what happens if I need zero engine braking, and just need to let the cars momentum carry it without any interference from the engine or tranny?
Can the PDK help me in that situation?
If you have that much trouble driving a manual, you are the exact kind of person the automatic transmissions were made for.
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FWIW, with racing transmissions, you never use the clutch once you start rolling and/or leave your pit box. The clutch pedal is only there to get you going from a standing start and/or to get you into reverse. It is assumed that if you are competent to drive a "real" race car that you can torque-match well enough not to need a clutch pedal/lever. If you can't match torque, you will run up really big dogring and gearset replacement bills, and you won't finish many races.
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Three Wheelin'
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I sometimes get a sneaky suspicion the Pdk haters, mt diehards, are the ones that are still learning to master the mt and think heel toe is some form of black art that proves masculinity.
Most proficient mt drivers, whose heel toe is a natural thing, look for the next level of performance, involvement and control and find that with Pdk.
Most proficient mt drivers, whose heel toe is a natural thing, look for the next level of performance, involvement and control and find that with Pdk.
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Are you telling me that you have never heard of a clutch pedal?
How sad for Subaru boy. Have you never seen one? Have you forgotten what they look like? What happened to you?
And if everyone here wants the newest technology, and to spend less time shifting. . .. . . get a CVT.
CVT is by far superior to anything according to the logic in this thread. Always in gear, no shifting, and the engine immediately jumps to its maximum output and stays there the whole time while under acceleration.
How sad for Subaru boy. Have you never seen one? Have you forgotten what they look like? What happened to you?
And if everyone here wants the newest technology, and to spend less time shifting. . .. . . get a CVT.
CVT is by far superior to anything according to the logic in this thread. Always in gear, no shifting, and the engine immediately jumps to its maximum output and stays there the whole time while under acceleration.
Yes I know what a clutch pedal is. Clearly you don't. Maybe if you read my post, you'd see that I do love manual transmissions- I have three cars with them. I'm just not a narrow minded individual, unwilling to embrace new technology.
Seriously though why can't the discussion happen without name calling? If you are incapable of that, please move on.
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I sometimes get a sneaky suspicion the Pdk haters, mt diehards, are the ones that are still learning to master the mt and think heel toe is some form of black art that proves masculinity.
Most proficient mt drivers, whose heel toe is a natural thing, look for the next level of performance, involvement and control and find that with Pdk.
Most proficient mt drivers, whose heel toe is a natural thing, look for the next level of performance, involvement and control and find that with Pdk.
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I sometimes get a sneaky suspicion the Pdk haters, mt diehards, are the ones that are still learning to master the mt and think heel toe is some form of black art that proves masculinity.
Most proficient mt drivers, whose heel toe is a natural thing, look for the next level of performance, involvement and control and find that with Pdk.
Most proficient mt drivers, whose heel toe is a natural thing, look for the next level of performance, involvement and control and find that with Pdk.
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Funny you say that. I never mentioned H-T, where did you come up with that idea?????
That does not answer my question.
Try again
Correct me if I am wrong, but that is your name, right? Not exactly 'name calling' if it is what you named yourself.
And move on . .. .. .. no.
I love playing the devils advocate. Watching everyone get their panties in a bunch is funny to me.
There is something satisfying about watching people spend their money on something they are unsure of, then saying whatever it takes to justify their purchase. (Half the people in here are just regurgitating what the salesmen told them.)
That does not answer my question.
Try again
And move on . .. .. .. no.
I love playing the devils advocate. Watching everyone get their panties in a bunch is funny to me.
There is something satisfying about watching people spend their money on something they are unsure of, then saying whatever it takes to justify their purchase. (Half the people in here are just regurgitating what the salesmen told them.)
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Funny you say that. I never mentioned HT, where did you come up with that idea?????
That does not answer my question.
Try again
Correct me if I am wrong, but that is your name, right? Not exactly 'name calling' if it is what you named yourself.
And move on . .. .. .. no.
I love playing the devils advocate. Watching everyone get their panties in a bunch is funny to me.
That does not answer my question.
Try again
And move on . .. .. .. no.
I love playing the devils advocate. Watching everyone get their panties in a bunch is funny to me.